Cries of the Infidels
Created on: September 20th, 2006
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ROFLROFLROFLROFL!
esperanto, "Not Even Damnation Music."
Even more rofl worthy is quoting a passage from your own book... if a write a science fiction abt myself going to mars can i use that as proof that i have been to mars?
Biskuti, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."
Dude.. ive been to mars, i have the book to prove it! Ive seen it, go buy my book and give me ur money.
There are a couple things bothering me about this YTMND: Yes, because they rejected God as their personal saviour they were going to hell, but this YTMND makes it seem as if God is damning them for what they've said. Also, it seems as if there is no hope for redemption. I also dislike the use of the term 'infidel', and it should have been something like 'unbelievers' or something. Something that bothers me is that this could scare people away from Christianity rather than convince them.
Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
ALL have sinned and condemned themselves to hell.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
ALL can be saved if they accept Jesus gift, Him taking our sins by dying for us. I realize your YTMND wasn't contrary to this, however: The impression you get from watching it is that they weren't good enough for Christ.
You're a f*cking idiot. You've obviously never done any real research on these people, because if you did, you would know that all those stories are exageratted fabrications of what really happened. All of your information is from ignorant Pro-Christian sources who couldn't tell the truth from thier *ssh*l*e. Pathetic. You and your whole hypocritic religon aren't scaring anybody. F*ck off.
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."
"You're a god damn idiot" -Me. I can make quotes too.
"John 3:16 - For God so loved
the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him
shall not perish but have eternal life." Using the bible as a means to argue is like using a science fiction book to prove life on mars. You dolt.
As well made as it is, the bias so extreme it's totally unbelievable. Perhaps had you not shoved, "these are people who are going to hell and they are evil and deserve it so I'm going to put a scary black background and red text and call them infidels" down our throats the whole time, it could have had some impact. It's simply impossible to watch and learn from the content without thinking, "what a bible beater."
I watched the whole thing, and I must say that it was excellent, perhaps going by a bit too fast on some slides. I'm not sure about the choice of 'infidel' as a word, it is a bit strong and may contradict with the inherent doctrine of Christianity. I am indeed a Catholic, and while I do believe that those who do not follow our religion are infidels, I think that for the pure sake of spreading the religion that this is a bad choice of vocabulary.
Now, I sort of liked your "Why God Exists" ytmnd because it was well thought out and had (what I thought) was good reasoning to it. It also seemed tasteful. This on the other hand looks like it was meant to scare people into christianity which is evident from the creapy music and choice of font/colors (not to mention its content). Even though I'm a christian, there's nothing I hate more than people trying to scare others into believing what they do by stating horrible consequences (hell).
That's the same reason why I don't like the traditional southern baptist preachers. You should be focusing on the good that can come, not the bad that could happen if you don't believe. In short, I completely disagree in what you're trying to do with this ytmnd, so because of it, you get a one... +1 for effort.
after watching three slides i realized it wss probaly just a bunvh of gay christian bullsh*t.
Alos f*ck you f*gstone hahaha! f*gstione f*gstone!!!! f*gstone lolizator! f*ggotstone. F*ckstone? My friend, youve wasted one to many sundays. Go do somrthing in youjr life, instead of being a f*ggy christian and spemding hours on the computer being a f*ggy christain
hHAHAHA more like asstone! sh*tstone! testiclestone!
Let's say that you're on a deathbed. You have been a strict atheist all your life. You see a passing priest in the hospital. You wonder if maybe the religion is true.
It's something many people would ponder as they end their life, especially as they're dying. But the idea that after death there is a punishment seems ludicrous to me. If somebody has sinned, they'll be punished in life, not the afterlife. I believe in God (not as strictly as Christians view him) but I don't believe in Hell.
BTW...
"Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of
the following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything
illegal, pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none
of those and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy." Read it. It says "if it lacks humor AND includes any of
the following". So, it lacks humor but has none of the following. He's not against the rules, wa-chow.
"Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the
following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal,
pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc"
Boy did this site not only lack humor, it was one of the worst YTMND's I have ever seen. I could have made an arguement on every single page, with evidence enough to back it up.
YTMND's are supposed to be fun, and sites that rant about religion aren't meant for this website!
First off, interesting ideas. But I agree with what was said earlier. This is very similar to the whole "Fire and Brimestone" approach. If there were some more including what the non "infidels" had said or done then maybe it would be more believable. and second, "needs NEDM" is probably the worst comment anyone could make. While I enjoy the occasional NEDM, it can only be used so often.
The sound was ok, the bloody text was very dramatic, however it lacked substance.
It needed a more balanced opinion with recent documentation.
Maybe next time you should include how others see buddah and other religous figures
during near death experiences.
Its better to show more of the scientific perspective since it is more credible.
I'm glad someone is willing to stand up for their beliefs on the internet. Everyone spamming negative comments on this site is displaying the same sort of intolerance that the Islamic Extremists are showing in our world to day (and to be fair the same intolerance that Christians showed for Muslims and Jews during the crusades). Most of you are probably 12 and attend church every Sunday because your mother makes you go. I'm not sure if i agree with the site or the religious beliefs that he's...
uh, incase no one has noticed, its not flaming. its more like truthful counter-arguments about why whetstone, along with many other Christians, as opposed to other religions, use fear to scare people into believing, rather than good, encouraging points. any religion that's even half- confident about their religion being the "correct" one, would not need to scare people into theirs, nor would it probably even care if others believed in theirs. go read up on Buddhism, and just about any other religion.
Go read up on Christianity, for that matter. Catholicism was party to some of the world's most famous atrocities, but today it is one of the most peaceful organizations out there. Many protestants are the same way, even though they have an equally bloody history. Almost no religion can say truthfully that its followers don't have blood on their hands (usually in massive amounts), no matter how peaceful the teachings of that religion.
But certain fundamentalist extremists, in Christianity as well as Islam, are fanning the flames of holy war NOW. (Or in the case of extremists in the U.S., psyching up their followers into that mindset.) Those are the ones to watch. Bringing up ancient history proves nothing. Example: RIGHT NOW, ON THE INTERNET, there are people claiming, not simply that Catholics aren't Christian, but that "The Roman Catholic Church is the beast" of Revelations. http://www.articlebeach.com/article66691.html
whetstone, Infidels.org is a website run and populated by very extreme atheists who use the term "infidel" as a badge of honor in a comical way. For you to use it to label all non-Christians is presumptuous and arrogant on your part. Go ahead and keep making your YTMND's and giving money to the site, but know that, as a guy who has many Christian friends in real life, you are doing them a great disservice by your self-aggrandizing attitude.
*sigh* I miss the days when ytmnd didn't have the sorta sh*t. Honestly, what is being accomplished by this? Okay, infidel conotations, whatever, but seriously. Waste of time, and not just for those who had to sit through it. Seriously, you would accomplish a lot more for your cause (I'm presuming salvation of some sort) by having an earnest, face-to-face conversation with somebody on the street. Flawed logic based on biased sources ain't gonna solve much.
I have asserted on this site many times that I am a Christian, and I have supported your works in the past. But I'll come out and say it. This is NOT the way to reach people. I would 1 it for its unneccesary hostility towards athiests (the use of the word "infidel" is a VERY touchy subject), but I'll 3 it for the way so many have automatically responded with the typical anti-Christian hostility that one can sadly come to expect from YTMND.
If you don't want to be called an infidel, stopping calling Christians fundamentalists. If you don't want to be called a fundamentalist, stop calling non-Christians infidels. Both sides find the terms equally offensive. The two sides can meet halfway; all that is needed is mutual respect and maturity.
Most of those testimonies were given by Christian reverends, I'm sure you would get all kinds of accounts from people of different faiths. An obviously biased source referring to an event to which a limited number of people were present in the distant past is not the most reliable source of information.
So if I have a bad dream, I'm supposed to interpret it as something my soul is seeing? Come on, if there are two realms life and death it isnt possible for us to hear it.
It's a subconsious creation of a scared mind nothing more. To believe that the last cries of a dead person could be interpreted as their cries from a soul is just stupid.
I 5 this for the presentation and thought provoking content. Now, I am not a religious man, but these testimonies are from people who generally didn't care for religion (even criticized it with smugness, at least when I do it, I do it eloquently and from a purely intellectual perspective). It should be known that that website with the index has an obvious Christian bias. What happens to the Buddhists? You never hear from other religions about this phenomenon, perhaps there is something to this?
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Yea, when (the soul) reaches to the collar-bone (in its exit),
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And there will be a cry, "Who is a magician (to restore him)?"
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And he is sure that it is the (hour of) parting
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And one leg will be joined with another: (And agony is heaped on agony)
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To your Lord on that day shall be the driving.
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So he did not accept the truth, nor did he pray,
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But called the truth a lie and turned back,
Very well done. I myself have seen the other side, that being Heaven, and I know that when I die I'll be welcomed by Jesus and he'll show me to my cousin and my grandfather. For those of you wondering how I've seen the other side, some dreams are ones in which you travel there, and you see all of the limitless possibilities of what you can do. My Father has loved me and taught me well, and I know that my Brother will welcome me with open arms before I get to embrace my Father with love and tears of joy.
I like it artistically. However: the word 'infidel' does have negative connotations as a previous poster said; and the Bible doesn't teach of eternal damnation in 'hell' - not according to the Anglican Church, Jehovah's Witnesses and the Roman Catholic Church. I am not saying they are 100% right but if they are, Christians like yourself are going to look a little silly.
BTW I don't subscribe to the idea that there is one, true faith. Experience and understanding has demonstrated otherwise.
But reguardless, whetstone, you're giving Christians even more of a bad name then we already have on this site. It's best to just let it go. Last thing I want to read is people being closed minded and stereotyping all Christans into people who do scare tatics and throw the Bible in your face. Just stop.
Okay, I must say that your site is more than descent and does appear to have quite a bit of effort put into it. While I will question whether or not it was being "non-Christian" that brought these people to such agony (personally I think it may have been their sour disposition in their life and their hatred), it is somewhat nice to see this point of view. Also, I will give you an automatic -1 for citing Cutting Edge ministries, which is a site that supports absurd and irrational conspiracy theories.
REPENT ALL YE SINNERS! FOR ETERNAL DAMNATION AWAITS THOSE WHO DENY THEMSELVES THE PEACE OF GOD! THE FLAMES OF HELL AWAIT THOSE REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!
SEND THIS COMMENT TO 5 OR MORE OF YOUR FRIENDS OR YOU WILL DIE IN AGONY BEFORE THE WEEK IS OUT! YOUR SOUL SHALL BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY!
also c*cks
ur analysis bores me. it is from Wiki, yes? that place isn't always right. and calling people who go to hell "infidels" is just plain stupid, because if that's true, we're ALL infidels because the hearts and minds of human beings are also houses for evil as well as good. are you one of those myspace people, cutting themselves all the time? because this YTMND, although i read the warning and understood it, just sucks. do not take my comments personally, this YTMND just needs, work.
"Good stuff. I love it how people like to join on the bashing bandwagon. If this ytmnd was about any other religion, like Hindu, Buddha, Zen, anything else, people would love it. I also lol @ the people who give it a 1 because they dont understand it, therefore its not true." If Hindu, Buddha, or Zen went around pompously proclaiming that they're right, and that anyone who disagrees with them suffers eternal pain and suffering, we'd hate them too. Note that the sane Catholics disagree with this guy too.
Hah. Better run to the nearest church bible in hand. I say dont block him, I love seeing pious little pricks like him toss around their pastors bowel movements like its some damn goldmine. IT MUST BE TRUE IF ITS ON WIKIPEDIA !!! dumbass. Hope you enjoy your self satisfied masturbation session tonight :]
Hmmm. That is frightening, I however am a proud pagan. Do those that are born out of christianity see the same fate? I understand your need to try and spread the word of christ, that is the duty of christians. But people like me have had many upon MANY problems with christianity, so I converted. Asatru be my religion, Thor and Odin be my masters. This is a well made YTMND, I don't agree with it, but it is very well made. I don't mean to offend you, but I would rather suffer the means than join.
Clearly safe and reminds me of my days at Brown when I was getting my 4 PHD's. Whetstone, I'm proud to say you would be welcome to Bradley anytime. Besides that, it was a tedious creation that failed to prove much, relying on our trust of your integrity. Seeing what most of the users have replied back, you unfortunately are no longer credible. In addition, infidel is a term best used for the Islamic unbelievers and their brood.
QUOTE:" The saddest part about this is that all the downvotes and negative
comments simply feed into fundies' martyr complexes. So, instead of taking
them as a suggestion that perhaps you're terrifically wrong and an ass,
it'll just boost the fake ego you've created in your own mind. Enjoy your
psychosis, pal." LOL SO TRUE MAN. HE'S JUST SITTING BACK READING OUR COMMENTS THINKING ABOUT HOW WE ARE ALL SATAN TRYING TO TEMPT HIM TO THE DARK SIDE BUT HE IS SO BRAVE HES GETTIN' A BIG MANSION IN HEAVEN.
"There are some interesting stories, but there's nothing here that would be considered unusual or unexpected. If people are told throughout their lives that 'X will happen if you don't Y', then they will fear that X will happen when they don't Y, regardless of their own experiences or spiritual precendence."
lolz at all the "BIASED" comments. its lame, and the same freaks everywhere else. Was there not a disclamer? So chill out yall! The only major bias was from 4. I would have also approached this differently. Yet, you get the point. You see the 1's, you did your work, Im going to fave it for research reasons, but just realize that you need to aproach this differently in the future. If you aim to save anyone, this is NOT the way to do it. message me if you would like for more constructive critisism.
unfortunately i only got about half way through the comments before 2 hours had passed and i just couldn't read anymore, so sorry if i'm repeating anything anyone has said, but, 1. assume souls exist, 2. souls must be "something", 3. anything can be viewed as energ: we assume the soul is an inner energy (lifeforce?), 4. World population keeps increasing, 5. We are constantly in need of more souls 6. The most efficent (and therefore likely) model for soul conservation is recycling souls,
Also, people whining about religous people starting wars or "Buddhists never kill people" (they have) are missing the point; PEOPLE WILL KILL EACH OTHER WHETHER THEY'RE RELIGIOUS OR NOT. People are selfish and fight a lot. Religion just happens to be one of the things that occasionally starts it. People don't need religion to help them create senseless violence (e.g. Communist Revolution).
That's it? I was expecting something interesting or thought-provoking. All we have here are 5 dubious accounts from the 19th century or before, recounted by a man who refers to non-Christians as "infidels", and we're supposed to take this seriously? You have accomplished two things here: you've wasted seven minutes of our lives, and harmed the already tarnished reputation of your own religion.
...So does this mean your whole "I'm sorry I haven't been a good forgiving and understanding Christian" YTMND (which I guess was deleted?) was just a lie? Would Jesus really want you to point fingers like this and force questionable facts down their throats, or would he want you to yaknow...HELP people, and spread love and not strife?
You get a one. I am of Protestant faith. Like political affiliation, what you eat for dinner, and why you choose the friends you choose, religion is of a personal business. To go out and preach religion is cheap. To go out and threaten religion is moraly criminal. To feel the need to express your personal opinion to others in a threatening type manner shows poor faith, poor self esteem, and poor judgement. To not rely on the "word of God" to show people the way show that you have very little faith.
""Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the
following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal,
pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none of those
and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy."
I'm pretty sure this site has plenty of "etc."
You probably haven't taken into account that the witnesses of the "infidel" (re: People who don't agree with you) testimonies are almost entirely commited Christians.
Yet as Voltaire, a personal hero of mine, once said: "I may not believe what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
Not many Christians incite this belief. Be thankful.
Though I watched this with an open mind, I have to say that this proves little. The main factor is that each account was of someone that activly rejected Christianty, and theirfore knew about the religion to some degree. When they died, they no doubt knew that they had not led a good life, and theirfore feared their death. It did not say that any of them did not belive in hell, but rather simply didnt follow Christ. No doubt they knew of the concept of Hell, and when they died, fearing death their mind
So, 3 120 year old documentations of people being scared s***less of whether or not they might go to heaven or hell and two accounts of more recent deaths, all adds up that there is a heaven and a hell? Well, there're hundreds of people who testify that they have seen, for example, zombies. Therefore, according to your own logic, zombies exist! The human brain can play tricks. Just because the castle appears colored in the mind trick ytmnd, doesn't mean it is a color photo.
Anyone who bashes this YTMND just because they disagree with the author's views needs to slow the f*ck down. One of the last frames says that true, the people could just be hallucinating. Not being religious myself, I assume that's what was really going on, but as an Agnostic I have to admit that I have NO way of knowing, hence alot of you people need to STFU with this "lol christianity" bullsh*t. 4'd for a well-made YTMND.
As interesting as that was, I really don't see why I should care. These could be delusions, these could be cries for some kind of aid, since the persons involved know that no secular means can help them. Or maybe still, those were actual souls sent to Hell in a handbasket and I'm going to burn for not caring. At ANY rate, that's not what YTMND is about. Stop throwing Bibles at me before I start tossing bricks back. ((Also, tropical lesbian cat-girls is a fine reward. I want dragons, though. ^_^))
"or if you were too lazy to sit through my YTMND" Are you kidding me? Too lazy? No, it's the fact that everybody is tired of you proving how much of an *ssh*l*e you are. Not everybody is going to believe in what you believe in, why can't you realize that? It doesn't mean it's right because you believe in it, you one-sided sh*thead.
""Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the
following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal,
pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none of those
and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy."
It should be deleted if it comes from a complete f*cking idiot like you. Go ahead, message me telling me to "convert" without anything to back it up. I'm ready for it.
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