ytmnd - you're the man now dog!

problems with this: 1.) to make it easy, we define everything as "the Universe". The opposite of "everything" is the Null (Empty) Set. Thus, if something "exists outside of space and time" = "it does not exist and it has never existed" 2.) a set is always a member of itself

x514N6W311

September 7th, 2006

2:34:09 AM CDT

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Who said God hasn't came into being? He has physically interacted with this world, is that enough of 'coming into being' for you?

strongbad20212000

September 7th, 2006

2:34:51 AM CDT

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Brilliant!

cyberen

September 7th, 2006

2:35:05 AM CDT

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wow, someone should sponsor this.

veritechryan

September 7th, 2006

2:35:12 AM CDT

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if you dont like christian stuff on here, puting anti-religous stuff isnt going to help

icn001

September 7th, 2006

2:37:36 AM CDT

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i would 5 this because i like the spirit, but you make correct statements supported by incorrect logic.

Chichiri

September 7th, 2006

2:38:08 AM CDT

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icn, no, a set is not a member of itself. It can be considered a SUBSET of itself, but not a MEMBER of itself. As for the "null set," for the purposes of this argument it doesn't matter that that set is completely empty, since the argument doesn't conclude that God doesn't exist, only that Whetstone's argument can't prove it.

icn001

September 7th, 2006

2:38:27 AM CDT

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http://jesusowesmemoney.ytmnd.com

icn001

September 7th, 2006

2:39:21 AM CDT

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alright fine, if you distinguish between "member" and "subset", thats good.

Chichiri

September 7th, 2006

2:39:53 AM CDT

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x514N, if God came into being, that's all well and good -- but that doesn't thereby save Whetstone's argument (nor would you NEED it, if you were right!).

Chichiri

September 7th, 2006

2:41:41 AM CDT

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verite, my stuff isn't explicitly anti-religious, by which I mean it isn't pro-atheism. I happen to be an atheist, but I don't wanna convince other YTMNDers to be atheists as well, because that would make me a hypocrite. No, I'm just responding to the Christbots that seem to have sprung up lately, thereby ensuring a level playing field.

veritechryan

September 7th, 2006

2:43:56 AM CDT

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well, im christian and if i see those sites, most of which are horrible or stupid, i one it. I could throw together something too, but i like my YTMND funny, thats all

Chichiri

September 7th, 2006

2:44:44 AM CDT

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Fair enough, I suppose.

WTL

September 7th, 2006

2:47:33 AM CDT

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Why this ytmnd is flawed. GOD IS NOT A HUMAN.

Chichiri

September 7th, 2006

2:49:02 AM CDT

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Yeah. So?

WTL

September 7th, 2006

2:53:22 AM CDT

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So? You said something like god stepped out of the time something something, so he wouldn't have the time to create the universe!" He's god, not a human, the laws of physics, gravity, time, and all that other stuff DOESN'T apply to him, you're using human logic, and applying it to god, what I'm trying to say is that human logic doesn't apply to God.

n4rvst

September 7th, 2006

2:54:33 AM CDT

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yo guys god is a sentient being up in the clouds of space lol

cyberen

September 7th, 2006

2:56:11 AM CDT

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If you can't use logic, whats the damn point of arguing at all? You can't argue (effectively) about how logic doesn't work in some instances without using logic in your own statement. FTW.

icn001

September 7th, 2006

3:01:57 AM CDT

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if laws of physics don't apply to God, then he can not interact with the Universe. if he can not interact with the Universe, he is not part of the Universe, and thus does not exist.

whetstone

September 7th, 2006

3:06:12 AM CDT

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heh heh...nice. I'll five you for promoting me. Any press is good press.

shiggy

September 7th, 2006

3:23:18 AM CDT

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every hard question pointed towards the flaws in a theistic world view ends in the same answer. "magic." If everything has a cause, then what caused god? how is god the only thing that has no cause? because he's god, and god is magic.

Nuroticat

September 7th, 2006

3:33:43 AM CDT

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"Considering the marvelous complexity of the universe...matter, energy, gravity, time, dimensions... I believe that our existence must be more than either of you philosophers." ;)

NinjaGoblin

September 7th, 2006

3:53:29 AM CDT

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You, sir, have done a good thing this day.

Burbster

September 7th, 2006

7:00:38 AM CDT

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Come on Whetstone, respond to his points.

Burbster

September 7th, 2006

7:04:15 AM CDT

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However, I think maybe I should 1 this site. It gives bait for the god squad who are using this site as a recruitment ground.

Metmop

September 7th, 2006

8:01:59 AM CDT

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Perfectly done!

MasterSitsu

September 7th, 2006

10:24:50 AM CDT

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i'm buying you a pizza.

snerk44

September 7th, 2006

12:08:10 PM CDT

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I'M NOT A F*CKING SPEEDREADER

belthegor

September 7th, 2006

12:42:27 PM CDT

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i enjoy the music

HonkyMagoo

September 7th, 2006

2:26:56 PM CDT

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I think the point is that know one knows, and I think everyone needs to remember that, also f*ck people who aren't open minded enough to understand people can have different opinions on religion aka christains

State-of-mind

September 7th, 2006

2:53:07 PM CDT

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I kind of agree... but really.. politics and religion dont belong on ytmnd, unless you're poking fun at it of course.

JimElNino

September 7th, 2006

3:20:26 PM CDT

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Add horsedick for 5

HeatherChandler

September 7th, 2006

3:26:38 PM CDT

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TLDR get all this debate onto the forums.

September 7th, 2006

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September 7th, 2006

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5 becuase my head just exploded

darkreign

September 7th, 2006

3:30:49 PM CDT

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Whetstone was PWNED, good job. ^.^

kikicolon

September 7th, 2006

3:31:00 PM CDT

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omg did you know that steve irwin died????????

foamingpanda

September 7th, 2006

3:31:49 PM CDT

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In the end, God is perfectly and logically POSSIBLE, but cannot be proven to exist or not to exist. But, at the least, this can shut moronic right-wing morons up.

darkreign

September 7th, 2006

3:32:13 PM CDT

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I like how the only response theists can give to this is "GOD DID IT, WHY? BECAUSE HE IS GOD!"..that of course is begging the question, or some other logical fallacy...or just plain stupidity.

gosox2005

September 7th, 2006

3:33:43 PM CDT

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Jessica Alba is proof of God's existence.

AndrewNi

September 7th, 2006

3:33:44 PM CDT

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you obviously thought about this a lot more than I did

Sadres

September 7th, 2006

3:35:32 PM CDT

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I love a good debate - especially by an intelligent guy.

Knack

September 7th, 2006

3:37:01 PM CDT

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5'd because Whetstone or whatever his name is is an idiot. 1 because I'm Christian. Look, you're using human knowledge to try and justify the existence of a supernatural being. Humans do not have the mental capacity to understand such things, such as "God does not suffer from laws that govern the universe". Humans, when trying to think of eternity, have a hard time as well. We just don't have the mental prowess to prove/disprove the existence of God.

fu2x89x

September 7th, 2006

3:38:18 PM CDT

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Your trying to answer the question, "Why is there something instead of nothing." There is no definite answer.

FordPrefect

September 7th, 2006

3:41:58 PM CDT

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Brilliant refutations.

Aramek

September 7th, 2006

3:42:58 PM CDT

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Flawless. ^_^

whetstone

September 7th, 2006

3:43:58 PM CDT

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◄Up and coming! Props to you! :) If I get around to answering anything in this site, I'll probably put it in the objections section of my YTMND. I'll keep you posted.►

Fah-Q2

September 7th, 2006

3:44:53 PM CDT

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god got horsef*cked in this ytmnd

IAmTheWalrus212

September 7th, 2006

3:48:30 PM CDT

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5

jtkremer89

September 7th, 2006

3:50:23 PM CDT

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zzzzzzz. thanks professor.

Rathos

September 7th, 2006

3:51:44 PM CDT

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zomg a philosophy debate on the internets!

Haroshia

September 7th, 2006

3:52:55 PM CDT

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I would give this a six if I could, and sponsor it if I could grow cash...

Tjathf

September 7th, 2006

3:53:10 PM CDT

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Great job.

e7hos

September 7th, 2006

3:53:15 PM CDT

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You are both wrong? No seriously.. why is it the most nerdy people are also the most retarded people in existance.. your trying to prove or disprove something that has nothing to do with proving in the first place.

Blazestorm

September 7th, 2006

3:53:45 PM CDT

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I understood 3 words in this YTMND...

e7hos

September 7th, 2006

3:54:15 PM CDT

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For some reason the vote doesn't work, but you'd get a 1 for arguing something that isn't worth arguing as nobody can win. It's called being gay.

noouch

September 7th, 2006

3:55:07 PM CDT

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OBJECTION!

Protoc0l

September 7th, 2006

4:01:15 PM CDT

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Very interesting. I enjoyed reading this.

CaptainCripple

September 7th, 2006

4:10:33 PM CDT

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You forgot to include the explanation on why I should care. Your argument with this guy isn�t insightful or funny, for that matter. This is a debate that neither side can really win.

rousemeister

September 7th, 2006

4:11:05 PM CDT

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My head hurts... I'm gonna f*ck off and have a wank. Bye!

September 7th, 2006

(0)

September 7th, 2006

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100% solid. Your arguments against his site are much like mine. You are making a name for yourself as a reasonable counter to all things ridiculous on the internet. Be proud of that.

SargentD

September 7th, 2006

4:59:13 PM CDT

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OWNAGE!!

lancelot

September 7th, 2006

5:15:40 PM CDT

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Thank you.

shoshone

September 7th, 2006

5:29:01 PM CDT

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Putting words in someone else's mouth is a basic no-no in debating. Also, if a creater creates something, doesnt that mean he is over it? The question where God came from is valid. Yet I find it much more likely that a superior being created us, rather than we evolved and had such amazing luck that we evolved and have our body that is so complex, its almost impossible by chance.

Canaryfellow

September 7th, 2006

5:34:08 PM CDT

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Mindf*ck. @_@

tylerh

September 7th, 2006

5:35:42 PM CDT

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Non-Beilievers run the internet. That is a great track you put together.

Maos

September 7th, 2006

5:36:13 PM CDT

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Your argument is just as pointless as Whetstone's, though I think trying to verbalize it, as he did, is worth something. The fact is, though, and a few ppl on this page have said it already, you can't prove God exists. You can't prove he doesn't. The laws of physics as we know it break down at the Big Bang Singularity. We don't and can't know what happened prior to the Big Bang (if the word 'prior' can even be used), so everyone should stop arguing.

Maos

September 7th, 2006

5:37:07 PM CDT

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Also, creating a ytmnd for the sole purpose of tearing another, rather well-made if slightly erroneous, ytmnd down. There's not point, cuz your argument isn't better than his, in fact its worse because you use big words that you probably don't understand. thats why you get a 1

darkreign

September 7th, 2006

5:37:13 PM CDT

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shoshone, evolution isn't chance, it is the opposite of chance. Natural selection is not chance! EVOLUTION IS NOT CHANCE. Has it sunk in yet?

REforever101

September 7th, 2006

5:37:22 PM CDT

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u win

Da-Vinci

September 7th, 2006

5:39:26 PM CDT

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God is a creation of Man.

omnivious

September 7th, 2006

5:40:43 PM CDT

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pwnt :)

trogg

September 7th, 2006

5:42:50 PM CDT

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-2 for f*ggy short film, +3 for pwning whetstone

scotttreadwell

September 7th, 2006

5:47:52 PM CDT

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Strong understanding of the underlying fundaamental principles of logic, unlike the preceding and inspiring ytmnd. Total win.

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

5:53:27 PM CDT

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Good rebuttals. I was thinking of others, but yours are interesting as well...

fetusdoctor

September 7th, 2006

5:54:45 PM CDT

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Absolutely and utterly fantastic rebuttal. Too bad the Christians will get all bent out of shape and downvote this into the pits of YTMND hell.

Shinjidude

September 7th, 2006

5:55:39 PM CDT

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I agree with these objections. I also don't beleive it's possible to either logically prove or disprove the existance of God.

sexyloser

September 7th, 2006

5:55:59 PM CDT

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pathetic... the flaws in whetstone's site are so obvious that making a site about it is just indicative of how bright you are...

gifife

September 7th, 2006

5:56:16 PM CDT

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-1 for assuming what whetstone would say.. needs more direct attack.. good logic :)

Shinjidude

September 7th, 2006

5:56:38 PM CDT

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> shoshone Tell that to Socrotes, or many other rhetorical speakers.

Shiladie

September 7th, 2006

5:57:01 PM CDT

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EXCELENT rebuttal, much better worded then my limited response in the comments of his site. well done!

September 7th, 2006

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September 7th, 2006

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objection 3. A lot of arguments for "god" usually leave me asking, "well, why can't the universe itself just have that attribute?"

grimflim

September 7th, 2006

5:58:07 PM CDT

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yo way to prove i dont exist :( *stops existing

Poland

September 7th, 2006

5:58:08 PM CDT

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;D

shog

September 7th, 2006

5:58:14 PM CDT

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whetstone put out a really good argument. then you put out a better one. i want more of this. very thoughtful.

freshouttapunk

September 7th, 2006

5:58:56 PM CDT

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THANK YOU!

sexyloser

September 7th, 2006

6:00:14 PM CDT

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shog is an idiot, as well as anyone whom thought this site and whetstone's were "thoughtful" (which doesn't even make any f*cking sense... do you even know what the f*cking word means you illiterate trogolodyte)

Spotz

September 7th, 2006

6:02:41 PM CDT

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I like the music. You made it? Do you have some hosted somewhere?

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

6:05:13 PM CDT

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I'm starting to wonder if Peterguy, Whetstone and a few others are part of a group (or even the same person). I see Peterguy donated to Whetstone's site and I see similairities in what they make: http://morecircularreasoning.ytmnd.com/ Oy...

lowcast

September 7th, 2006

6:06:36 PM CDT

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plz don't feed the born agains thx

waluigi14

September 7th, 2006

6:06:40 PM CDT

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5 for reasoning, NEDM, and Wonka.

rollonbustas

September 7th, 2006

6:07:42 PM CDT

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OK, all of these ytmnd's are really really ignorant and stupid. Both side s of the argument. You people don't even know what religion is. God does not prove himself, even sometimes he throws out theories which disprove the existance. Why would he do that? Because religion IS faith. God does not want disbeliever in heaven, he wants you to trust him in that ther is a God, without faith, you have science.

dialhforhero

September 7th, 2006

6:09:12 PM CDT

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High Five for others who are philosophers or study philosophy! It's funny, because I was thinking of doing a ytmnd almost exactly like this when I saw that YTMND.

roq

September 7th, 2006

6:09:31 PM CDT

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Did you guys even read and understand what he said before posting? :P

SubmissiveTrout

September 7th, 2006

6:09:56 PM CDT

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rollonbustas, so that means to God, heaven is a big treehouse with "No Girls Allowed" on it? Kinda petty for a supreme being :P

sexyloser

September 7th, 2006

6:10:06 PM CDT

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ytmnd.com is populated by the serf class of humanity as evident by the comments here

SubmissiveTrout

September 7th, 2006

6:10:45 PM CDT

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This is like, a freakishly large amount of pwnt-logic. You win the internets

shea-the-great

September 7th, 2006

6:13:09 PM CDT

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THANK YOU. You voiced my thoughts EXACTLY, and told this fool off. All I could do was respond in like 100th comment, kind of useless.

chuchII

September 7th, 2006

6:13:48 PM CDT

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kudos, not for disputing god or whatever, but for pointing our more than a few booboos. this is not anti-religous, just anti-stupid argument.

MrKing

September 7th, 2006

6:14:45 PM CDT

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You cant explain god and you cant disprove him eather. Debate all you want but in the end you going to be even more confused. you both maid compeling arguments, but in the end your both rong. there are enough holes in both of them to make a necklace. your just going to have to belive what you want and nothing more. -Science and God are worlds apart.

DJLO

September 7th, 2006

6:15:23 PM CDT

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p.s. physics dont apply to gods =)

Motu

September 7th, 2006

6:16:03 PM CDT

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Dammit, now I have to upvote all your sites.

iisryan

September 7th, 2006

6:16:56 PM CDT

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+2 for a good argument, but I can't give this any higher rating because it is completely nonconslusive and has no proof that God doesn't exist.

roq

September 7th, 2006

6:17:22 PM CDT

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The title is a joke, people. He's just applying elementary logic & semantics to explain the rhetoric and false reasoning used in whetstone's site.

TheLeafy

September 7th, 2006

6:18:12 PM CDT

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Hey, I might actually have to make a YTMND as a rebuttal... Quite a bit of flawed logic, but good in any case. ;)

SailorBoyz

September 7th, 2006

6:19:34 PM CDT

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Hmm, ok�some interesting thoughts, but at the risk of creating a thought fractal: Both points are valid. God does HAVE a begging nor does he end, for He is both. So God is the smallest most finite and therefore infinite PART of the UNIVERSE...while at the same time BEING the Universe as well as being apart from it. DO you see the point? IN the Bible it is summed up in these phrases: I am the alpha AND the omega. also: In the beginning, the Word was WITH God, and the word WAS God...through which the Un

TheIconoclast

September 7th, 2006

6:19:41 PM CDT

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i wish i could get this in slower increments, but what i did get to opportunity to read, i agreed with. 5.

SailorBoyz

September 7th, 2006

6:22:27 PM CDT

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*sorry..sloppy typo: God does NOT HAVE a beginning nor does he end, for He IS both.

Presage

September 7th, 2006

6:22:42 PM CDT

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The universe is God's sick joke.

roq

September 7th, 2006

6:22:57 PM CDT

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As for the recurring question "why do people get get involved in these semantical games?" As I've said before in the previous sites, PRIDE. PRIDE. PRIDE. ARROGANCE. Human weakness. Cure? Nothing can cure human frailties, but Psychology can helps us become aware of them - and allow us more control over our behavior as we mature.

smt

September 7th, 2006

6:23:06 PM CDT

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needs more NEDM

Zx30

September 7th, 2006

6:26:00 PM CDT

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1 for no effort.

Whargoul

September 7th, 2006

6:26:59 PM CDT

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No god but god

jamey00

September 7th, 2006

6:30:52 PM CDT

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i'll say this: even if a we are presented with proof of god this still doesn't guarantee anything... after all..... nihilism is full proof (existential that is)

mattman8

September 7th, 2006

6:32:10 PM CDT

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i dont think you understand christian or religion in genereal ideology. it claims that god has existed infinitely back into time and will continue to exist infinitely forward into it. not "he created the universe, but what created him?" he has always existed infinitely. the creation and formation of the universe on a religious timescale is a blink, such as the 7 days of creation- a minute and insignificant amount of time compared to a scale of infinity.

thelehmanlip

September 7th, 2006

6:34:48 PM CDT

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it must be easy "proving" an argument against something you know nothing about ^_^

genitalherpes69

September 7th, 2006

6:34:51 PM CDT

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Evidence disproving existence of a "God" = Win

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

6:35:15 PM CDT

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^^^ Which is against the Causal system you impose. Remember that you are suggesting that Causality applies to things outside of Physics as well (IE. Singularity is caused, even though it is not bound by Physical laws)

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

6:36:14 PM CDT

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thelehmanlip, did you even look at the YTMND?

Kerberus

September 7th, 2006

6:36:30 PM CDT

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aww, sexyloser thinks he's smart

clocklock

September 7th, 2006

6:38:34 PM CDT

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5'd for tearing down the argument of an idiot trying to use science to prove what exists beyond science. -1 because I'm sick of all these religious ytmnds. Still, good stuff.

mattman8

September 7th, 2006

6:38:41 PM CDT

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no. im not denying the existence of physics. i dont believe in casualty either. physics is very real. btw pokemon went out of stlye in 2000

Nyax

September 7th, 2006

6:40:16 PM CDT

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Very well made, but this is YTMND. You're no better than Peterguy for making this.

WeHeartKatamari

September 7th, 2006

6:40:20 PM CDT

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You sir, are the man now, dog. Enjoyable read, and very coherent.

NilObjectException

September 7th, 2006

6:40:21 PM CDT

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Chichiri at the Throne of Judgement: "Can nothing now save me from Hell?!" God: "NEDM" Chichiri: "O RLY?" Jesus: "YA RLY" Stephanie: "It was a piece of cake to have a pretty faith, but you got LA-ZY" Chichiri: "LOL Eternal Torment"

sexyloser

September 7th, 2006

6:41:33 PM CDT

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I would not profess to be something as relative and subjectice as "smart," but the fact that so many of you find this ytmnd and the one it responds to clever or entertaining at all speaks poorly of the individuals whom constitute this website.

September 7th, 2006

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September 7th, 2006

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DOOOOWNVOOOTED for angering me, this is the first site I have ever rated lower than a 4. It all boils down to faith and physics.

Tsuchiya

September 7th, 2006

6:43:03 PM CDT

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im christian, in a sense, nd you get a 5 for me. the reason being, i want people to stop believing that God is a solid existence(or non-existense) and is outside the human world. i dont think i can explain my view in this little box though..

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

6:45:57 PM CDT

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You're not reading what I'm saying mattman. Your argument requires the causal system to be applied to gods, or allows for acausality to be applied to the universe. Otherwise, your god becomes incoherent and useless to discuss. Who said anything about me being a fan of pokemon now? I have an interest in one and one only...

Kapoof

September 7th, 2006

6:46:20 PM CDT

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Those who 1'd this didn't understood the point of this, IMHO. It's about having fun arguing over the biggest mindf*ck ever. No one can win, it's pointless, but what the hell : it's fun and interesting.

Kerberus

September 7th, 2006

6:49:20 PM CDT

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oh no, there's really nothing too mind boggling about this, this seemed like a fairly good comeback. normally, however, id say, KEEP POLITICS AND RELIGION OFF YTMND. and i'm not critisizing your intelligence, but rather, the way you respond to others points in such a smug and condisending way.

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

6:52:48 PM CDT

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I would agree with that. The only real problem I have is these attempts to make YTMNDs and sponsor them so they get on the front page. Peterguy and his Evangelical friends seem to be doing this frequently...

Jenkl

September 7th, 2006

6:55:24 PM CDT

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Superb.

SilentChaos

September 7th, 2006

6:56:37 PM CDT

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WIN... and btw... If humans don't have the capacity to understand something as supernatural as a god, why did god write a bible? how can something as natural as a naturally-made language possibly hope to scratch the surface of the supernatural? It can't, therefore all literature, including the bible is fallible and a farce, and I don't see god popping down to add any comments on the subject, since he's the master of all things written.

letired

September 7th, 2006

7:13:17 PM CDT

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I couldn't have put it better myself. It's just like Descartes reasoning for the existence of God. (These Christians, always begging the question). I see you're also a Philosophy student. :D

TheHawk332

September 7th, 2006

7:13:54 PM CDT

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I can boil all of this on both sides down to a single paragraph: If the universe started from nothing or had a beginning then something beyond our understanding resided at the nexus of all things. This is God and the universe itself is God. This much is true. Rather it does anything or is intelligent is ENTIRELY F*CKING irrelevant in naming it God. As for assumptions that its intelligent that is based on nothing.

isonoe

September 7th, 2006

7:25:25 PM CDT

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music is horrible

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

7:30:25 PM CDT

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It's very relevant in calling it god. deities are anthropomprhic supernatural entities... if the first cause isn't supernatural and anthropomorphic, it isn't god.

HateMach1ne

September 7th, 2006

7:38:42 PM CDT

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God is dead.

ColdStone

September 7th, 2006

7:45:14 PM CDT

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The source of the universe may be beyond our understanding, but it's probably not because of God.

Shurik3n

September 7th, 2006

7:59:24 PM CDT

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Thank you for this, you didn't try to go all atheist and say God doesn't exist. You merly show that whetstone is a fool. In my opinion you can't prove God's existence or inexistence. Its all on faith, some people have that faith ( I among them ) and some do not. You can't indefinatly prove it either way.

zZeL

September 7th, 2006

8:19:27 PM CDT

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...

roq

September 7th, 2006

8:28:32 PM CDT

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@ TheHawk, you can't apply verbs like "started" into a context where we're assuming time doesn't exist. The verbs themselves can't exist without time.

SoberIrishman

September 7th, 2006

8:30:31 PM CDT

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roq

September 7th, 2006

8:34:41 PM CDT

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Conclusion: We're humans. We're stupid. (and stupidity is fun, damn it!)

Brap

September 7th, 2006

8:40:51 PM CDT

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5d. Reason > superstition.

Gabu

September 7th, 2006

9:26:39 PM CDT

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Actually, the first one is not what is known as circular reasoning. Circular reasoning is where you have two conclusions, both of which depend on the other being true for it to be true. If we assume that it is true that "Everything except God has a cause", then it is absolutely true that the universe had a cause by virtue of its not being God. The problem is that the statement "Everything except God has a cause" has not been proven by any standards at all.

Gabu

September 7th, 2006

9:28:10 PM CDT

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It's therefore a good argument (it's logically valid), but not a sound argument (the premises are not all known to be true), so it's therefore useless in any sort of practical application.

TightenUpTheGraphics

September 7th, 2006

9:31:20 PM CDT

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5 for a well argued rational counter-point, addressing possible criticisms (sign of a good debator) and helping to fight the X-tian take over of our beloved entertainment site.

LordFuzzles

September 7th, 2006

9:38:54 PM CDT

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Nice antithesis Chichiri. Pretty frustrating though reading comments from people who havent quite grasped that this ytmnd isn't trying to disprove the existance of god despite it's title. And Sexyloser, I'd ask you to pull your head out of your own *ss but I suppose its more comfortable for you up there. People are just having a debate, and perhaps people are being introduced to ideas that could be completely new to them, thats a good thing.

Gabu

September 7th, 2006

9:46:45 PM CDT

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You might also want to revisit the third point, as well - while it's true that the universe isn't a "thing", it can still be argued that the universe would not exist if none of its components existed, and in that case, the universe would come into being if its components came into being. Can't find fault in the second point, though. And just for the record, I don't state that I know that there IS a God. I just think that it's good to play Devil's Advocate on both sides to keep each on their toes. :)

Deals

September 7th, 2006

9:51:36 PM CDT

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lol, religion.

bjam94

September 7th, 2006

9:55:48 PM CDT

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pagan

MewtwoX

September 7th, 2006

10:09:23 PM CDT

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^Wow, that's some real Christian love there...

Lasada

September 7th, 2006

10:22:50 PM CDT

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I like how many people are 1ing this and commenting 'So what? God can do anything!'.

Turambar

September 7th, 2006

10:28:48 PM CDT

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nice accenting on the bass. also, down with god.

SamuraiSam

September 7th, 2006

10:32:16 PM CDT

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I believe in God, but I'll give you a 3 because you didn't get all pissed just because someone believes in God.

Toilet

September 7th, 2006

10:42:34 PM CDT

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your making ytmnd a better place

Improviser

September 7th, 2006

10:44:30 PM CDT

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That was very well thought-out and intelligent. Didn't care for the music though.

lordgilman

September 7th, 2006

10:46:09 PM CDT

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top notch

mrpie5

September 7th, 2006

10:54:49 PM CDT

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Dumb athists and there thinking the universe was created by nothing!

mrob

September 7th, 2006

11:06:07 PM CDT

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hi, sorry. because of me this site will go from 3.91 to 3.91

doctor-acula

September 7th, 2006

11:18:10 PM CDT

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and then god dissapeared in a puff of logic.

KangarooKirby

September 7th, 2006

11:27:20 PM CDT

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1 for bad theology, bad philosophy, bad science, and absolutely horrible logic. Whetstone uses thousands of years of debate and research to support his thesis (and provides sources, too). You look like you pretty much just pulled your arguments out of your one-sided ass.

KangarooKirby

September 7th, 2006

11:30:13 PM CDT

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I'm a theology major. I'm submitted to "proof" that God doesn't exist on a regular basis. No true logical debate can end with the disproof of God, but you could have at LEAST made a credible effort.

celerityfm

September 7th, 2006

11:35:58 PM CDT

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All the haters don't offer reasons why they disagree with you other to say that they disagree. I give you 5 stars because you used logic alone to undo his argument. Sure he had sources and research, but that doesn't change his core logic, which you saw through. I still liked his YTMND though, and there are more objections, but good job here.

Gabu

September 7th, 2006

11:36:21 PM CDT

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"Dumb athists and there thinking the universe was created by nothing!" Which is better than thinking God was created by nothing?

Gabu

September 7th, 2006

11:38:14 PM CDT

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"Whetstone uses thousands of years of debate and research to support his thesis (and provides sources, too)." Sorry, that's an appeal to authority fallacy. The fact that he had sources and that other people have used the same argument does not at all mean in itself that it's more correct than anything else.

BENTON

September 7th, 2006

11:58:03 PM CDT

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...and why again, should a first cause be summarily proven, should a first cause be a benevolent character, and not NEDM itself?

Chichiri

September 8th, 2006

12:02:39 AM CDT

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Folks, another guy just made a response that's artistically better than mine, and I think complements mine very well. Check it out at http://whygodexistsanalysis.ytmnd.com/

Curttehmurt

September 8th, 2006

12:15:55 AM CDT

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I love you Chichiri, will you let me bare your children?

roq

September 8th, 2006

12:18:34 AM CDT

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mrpie5, why even assume that the universe was "created"? You're applying an absurdly primitive concept to an unfathomable context.

Delta30468

September 8th, 2006

12:46:23 AM CDT

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Awesome. You just said everything that went through my mind when I saw it. Thank you!

EvaXephon

September 8th, 2006

12:58:04 AM CDT

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lol you just pwned Whetstone so hard

mattdh12

September 8th, 2006

1:29:39 AM CDT

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keep religion off of ytmnd. its never going to get anywhere.

bobmoult

September 8th, 2006

1:39:40 AM CDT

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Whetstone just got pwnd

NESchampion

September 8th, 2006

1:56:29 AM CDT

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you are god.

sleepr

September 8th, 2006

1:57:34 AM CDT

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UBER!!!

Dagor

September 8th, 2006

2:56:11 AM CDT

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I will kill you in your sleep, just so you know.

Ginkan

September 8th, 2006

3:10:13 AM CDT

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Good sound reasoning, you made great points in regards to his arguments/conclusion. Philosophical reasoning - Good.

MrLegend

September 8th, 2006

3:27:54 AM CDT

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Hey, your the guy...cyberman +5. good music.

BTape

September 8th, 2006

3:52:16 AM CDT

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so yeah, this was ptkfgs.com of 9/8/2006 - congrats, I suppose, although the other site arguing against whetstone is better.

NickGray

September 8th, 2006

4:03:19 AM CDT

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This is not a fad. Better luck next time. It was good, but his was somewhat better.

XxLegato666xX

September 8th, 2006

4:05:47 AM CDT

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that's some good bass.

next-tarantino

September 8th, 2006

4:06:48 AM CDT

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So you re-read some chapters of an old book from a "Critical Reasoning" class (or some such)? Well done. For the next class period, please have chapters 4-65782737261 read. Also do the practice exams at the end of each chapter.

thatsniceiguess

September 8th, 2006

4:13:28 AM CDT

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f*ggotry on the internet

whetstone

September 8th, 2006

4:19:16 AM CDT

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◄I have answered the objections in this YTMND at the end of mine. Enjoy. http://whygodexists.ytmnd.com/►

iwpoe

September 8th, 2006

4:44:32 AM CDT

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No, you didn't, you presented the objection in its weakest form and the refuted it through a rather flippant appeal to god being beyond the scope of your argument. That poorness of reply to the objection is the point of this YTMND.

Bex

September 8th, 2006

4:52:39 AM CDT

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Brilliant. Argued intelligently and concisely. I was half expecting an NEDM or "Also, c*cks" at the end, but it's probably for the best you didn't put that in. XD

Sora-kun

September 8th, 2006

5:12:55 AM CDT

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I feel we're dealing with paradoxes we cant comprehend

graphitestain

September 8th, 2006

5:15:39 AM CDT

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Imagination is a scary thing.

Raiyen

September 8th, 2006

5:29:19 AM CDT

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From a relatively neutral standing, I'd like you to ask... Chichiri, the Christian God that is being referred to is thought to be above the laws of physics and such. If this happens to be the case, aren't more than a few of your arguements invalidated?

Baron

September 8th, 2006

6:12:16 AM CDT

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Baron

September 8th, 2006

6:12:46 AM CDT

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Baron

September 8th, 2006

6:13:18 AM CDT

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Elite24

September 8th, 2006

6:13:44 AM CDT

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what about jesus

phils314

September 8th, 2006

6:15:38 AM CDT

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lol, debate. Slow down the text just a bit. Needs more NEDM.

rx787

September 8th, 2006

6:16:33 AM CDT

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(a) you're merely talking semantics...(b) if it takes toyota years to develop extensive technology to aid gas consumption what makes you think a higher being wasn't required to create the universe? You honestly think it just popped out of no where. Now THAT logic is flawed. :)

Baron

September 8th, 2006

6:17:35 AM CDT

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Baron

September 8th, 2006

6:18:06 AM CDT

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Baron

September 8th, 2006

6:20:51 AM CDT

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d1ggitydan

September 8th, 2006

6:21:38 AM CDT

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please do not make anymore religious YTMNDs. one.

WolfThing

September 8th, 2006

6:23:14 AM CDT

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You, Sai, are the one comparing apples to oranges. The universe and God are not subject to the same laws (i.e. causualty). They are diffrent, as Whetstone states.

September 8th, 2006

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September 8th, 2006

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I hate god good work son!

WouTar

September 8th, 2006

7:52:20 AM CDT

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Win

Zalien

September 8th, 2006

8:26:58 AM CDT

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lmao

Grog

September 8th, 2006

8:29:24 AM CDT

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Where's the funny?

mirima

September 8th, 2006

8:32:43 AM CDT

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Make the slides a little slower, please. i r dum.

jari

September 8th, 2006

8:46:03 AM CDT

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I like how you're argue with someone for what you think he might say.

Legotoadeto

September 8th, 2006

8:55:56 AM CDT

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hmmm.. you argue for the sake of arguing... get a good logical point.. and come back.. thanks for playing.

superfur

September 8th, 2006

9:08:36 AM CDT

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+5 for use of logical fallacies on YTMND.

lmaowagon

September 8th, 2006

9:17:47 AM CDT

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WROOOOOOOOOOONG!!!!!!!

Genghis-John

September 8th, 2006

9:44:08 AM CDT

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someone took a f*cking intro philosophy course as part of their freshman curriculum and wants to show us all how smart he is...pathetic

ColdLogic

September 8th, 2006

9:47:37 AM CDT

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5 for pointing out logical fallacies -4 for using some yourself

darkreign

September 8th, 2006

10:07:32 AM CDT

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WHEN CHRISTIANS ATTACK! That is for the downvoters, logic frightens them, and their only reaction is to DOWNVOTE. F*ck your mohters downvoters, f*ck your mothers.

someguyinahat

September 8th, 2006

10:11:17 AM CDT

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Chinese Rocket Roulette beats this. And that's saying a lot.

DonChoadle

September 8th, 2006

10:16:29 AM CDT

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5'd for n64 kid

G-d

September 8th, 2006

10:30:33 AM CDT

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I exist, just based on faith, not science. Trying to prove my exist is not what my faith is about. Thank you for your thought provoking presentation. -JC

Kruto0n

September 8th, 2006

10:42:04 AM CDT

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finally reasoning and logic prevail over pety religions who's only purpose was to give ancient people a way to explain the world around them.

Filth

September 8th, 2006

10:46:19 AM CDT

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some of your arguments are bullsh*t, but so are his. So...... 3'd!

Cheeselicker

September 8th, 2006

10:46:34 AM CDT

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Not the only reasons why Whetstone was flawed. But those would take ages to explain.

eonkiller3

September 8th, 2006

11:08:05 AM CDT

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I'm kinda glad for a break from poorly edited fad YTMNDs in favor of something more brainfood.

sleepr

September 8th, 2006

11:08:41 AM CDT

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Hey, yours beat Whetstone's as most viewd now, it is is just a rebuttal!!! LOL rock on man.

Fuyush

September 8th, 2006

11:09:23 AM CDT

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Unless there's a raptor head involved I just don't want to read about this stuff on ytmnd.

v4vendetta

September 8th, 2006

11:31:13 AM CDT

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my dick in your mouth is god. who gives a f*ck. You're both morons.

vamp777

September 8th, 2006

12:04:15 PM CDT

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You don't have to explain yourself to every idiot you encounter on the internet with an opinion. Complete waste of time...

Slartibartfast

September 8th, 2006

12:17:44 PM CDT

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+infinity for proper use of "begs the question"

Shorty-Longstrokin

September 8th, 2006

12:29:43 PM CDT

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Excellent points, but I have to "3" it because that's the rating I gave Whetstone. Also, max hates these kind of things.

PrussianMight

September 8th, 2006

12:34:00 PM CDT

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5 for actually having some background in logic, -1 because it starts going too fast.

spncram

September 8th, 2006

12:34:53 PM CDT

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why haven't I seen a "why Xenu exists" ytmnd?

AhMotherland

September 8th, 2006

12:37:04 PM CDT

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YOU ARE GODLY! Its a little bit too fast though. Still, good stuff.

Abiogenesis

September 8th, 2006

12:43:39 PM CDT

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Great job! Also, to the people who respond with the argument that you can't understand god with reason. If that's true, then you can believe anything you want at all. You're believing in God on a whim with no grounding except your current feelings. These feeling are responses only to irrationality when you claim reason fails at this subject.

nekcod

September 8th, 2006

12:49:40 PM CDT

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A very sound explanation of your reasonings...but I still found several flaws therein your own argument. (Agnostic Religious Grounds fyi)

Corewin

September 8th, 2006

12:58:08 PM CDT

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The belief in something as compared to the belief in nothing, are both equally meritted... however turning this into a battle of wills and rejoicing in the crushing of other peoples opinions are the very reasons problems arise in the first place. Im directing this mostly towards the unrulely masses of ytmnd, that would rather hear their own opinions repeated and flame any others. Get a life people, seriously. 3

Baron

September 8th, 2006

1:01:32 PM CDT

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BlueMech

September 8th, 2006

1:01:39 PM CDT

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You win.

Baron

September 8th, 2006

1:02:15 PM CDT

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Baron

September 8th, 2006

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Chichiri

September 8th, 2006

1:03:51 PM CDT

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Thanks everyone for the comments, but I've put up a different version of this site to give it a different, more accurate domain name, and reply to Whetstone's response to my objections. http://responsetowhygodexists.ytmnd.com

theking49

September 8th, 2006

1:14:53 PM CDT

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Heres the thing, if we are wrong(which we arn't)then nothing happens to us. If you are wrong (which you are) you are going to hell for denying God. Sorry but it had to be said. Go find some meaning in your life, because life is only the beggining.

sAge

September 8th, 2006

1:15:05 PM CDT

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You are tying to sound smart, you are failing miserably. Not to mention that you wouldn't have the same objections if you actually knew what God was.

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