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Pinocchio is really one of Disney's best, even with the anti-semitic overtones. It was genuinely dark, which is something sorely missed in animated family features these days.

true. but i dunno, that kidnapping scene in finding nemo...the camera zooms into the dad's reaction to his son being kidnapped in front of him (every mom/dad/child nightmare) and he screams NOOOOOO!!! or something...i thought that was pretty f*cked up for a kids movie.

Disney was a perfectionist, something rare in any age. Check out early Disney when there're musicians playing, they're actually hitting the right notes. As for dark and challenging kids movies, you're right that they're rare, but they're around. Coraline was fairly creepy.

Yeah I wanted to see Coraline, but I don't want to spend $9 to see it.

so Bambi had his mother die. Pinocchio was twisted by the depths of his own selfishness. Those are the big wins in the Disney Dark column. What else? I seem to remember a creepy dragon from Sleeping Beauty, something like the Beast from Fantasia - but that wasn't that disturbing. Snow White died, and the puppies almost ended up as coats - but you knew it was going to be awright. Oh, Old Yeller was sad...

i would have stayed a beast man and not become human again, just gotten over being a f*cking grump. that beast was so well equipped! he could walk upright and on all fours, and had the freedom to leave the castle. i would go off in the woods and fight/kill/eat bears and mountain lions, then go home to my castle full of servants.

Song of the South- one of the Disney films that will never, ever get re-released owing to political incorrectness. Which is a shame. Like Grimm's original "fairy tales", we used to tell our children far scarier stuff for stories.

i saw a dj spooky show where he remixed the images of Birth of a Nation with music.