Who Murdered the Most People?
Created on: October 4th, 2006
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The amount of stupid in the comments is enough to make me want to puke. This ytmnd was good because it didn't go with the whole "LOLOLOLOLOLOL people only kill other people because of religion!!!11!" that's so popular nowadays. And if you didn't know, more than 5 billion people in this world have a religion, compared to 850 million atheists/agnostics/non-religious people. (The More You Know). So you can't blame it on LOLOLOL moar atheists=moar killing.
dude, you need to stfu. noone wants your anti-aethiesm ytmnds. oh, and its ok to hate catholics just because the crusades happened? youre willing to condemn thousands of people today who have never done anything just because their religious ancestors were ignorant and killed people? in that case, youre no better than hitler, retard
whetstone, you're a moron. first,there's a difference between an atheist killing people and people being killed in the name of atheism. second, atheism isn't a religion, it isn't organized and accepted by atheists that they will kill non-atheists. but evil atheists do kill people...
so, murders in the name of the catholic church, and murders committed by atheists with power are two very different things.
i'm absolutely sick of your more blatant examples of word twisting and intentional fallacies.
communist russia, communist china, and any other past or present totalitarian regime is by no means representative of athiestic thought. athietic thought is no more inhernetly evil or prone to violence than moderate practice of any religion. fundimentalists are fundimentalists no matter what they commit their atrocities in the name of. just because i do not belive in a god, does not mean i have no morale spine. plus all of athiesm cannot be blamed for crimes commited by an extreme minority of athiests.
your argument is mediocre at best. you're suggesting that all atheists are bad people because of communism. to be honest, i think you're just doing it for attention at this point. just to prove i'm not doing this for the sake of downvoting, i'm not gonna vote at all. plus, it just wasn't funny... and ytmnds that aren't funny should be made by smoothmedia. ONLY smoothmedia. love your old uncle El Marco
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You do realize that making hatemongering pieces like this is only proving your detractors' points. Which is to say that you're a hatemonger.
Get over yourself, man. Judge not, and all that. Is it really that much to ask for you to acknowledge that other people believe other things, regardless of whether or not you agree? Is it too far of a stretch to believe that some of these people, who believe things wildly different from what you believe, are actually decent human beings?
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Marx was a communist first and foremost, please don't mistake correlation for causation. It was soviet (communist) Russia that destroyed so many lives in the name of communism. The leaders of the movement were attempting to force atheism on the masses but only to further their twisted communist agenda, not because they believed in atheism. Communism, btw, shares the same basic altruistic tendencies that leads followers of various religions to injustice and murder.
Athiesm isn't a society, religion or organization. You can't merely put that because someone, who was an athiest, killed thousands and/or millions of people. They didn't kill them in the name of athiesm. Stop trying to make other peoples beliefs look bad. When it comes to religion, nobody is wrong, nobody is right. Nobody's religion and or belief is better than anothers. Get that through your f*cking head, stop trying to push your beliefs on others. Burn in heaven.
People in this forum are claiming that Hitler was Christian, and even Catholic, but from what I understand his "Christianity" was more of an Arian-Nationalist religion. Also (to use the Whetstone approach), I saw on a website that Hitler described himself as "completely pagan", and if it's on the INTERNET it must be TRUE...
You're basing your argument on a false premise. Most dictatorships, secular or nor, shed blood to maintain their hold on power. That includes both theocracies and the "athiest" states you point to (Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Fascist Italy, Red China, etc.). Secular or theocratic, genocide is likely to happen in any totalitarian state. But when you add the element of religious fanaticism to the equation it becomes a much more potent and dangerous beast. 3'd for well-put together YTMND, anyways.
Obviously you're too stupid to realize that most of those kills atheists has done comes from major communist countries like China. Here's the thing with China that you maybe haven't thought about... IT'S A F*CKING DICTATORSHIP. That they frequently kill there own population haven't got anything to do with them being religous or not you dumbass.. It's not like if China would become Christian they would all of a sudden say: HEY WAIT! WE CAN'T KILL PEOPLE WE ARE CHRISTIANS, ONLY ATHEISTS DO SUCH THING..
Your logic is flawed on who has killed more due to grouping. Muslims and Catholics killed people because of their religion. They ran the massacres because they felt obligated to by religion. Only major atheist massacre, where atheists were killing due to religious reasons, was china slaughtering monks, and that wasn't even that big.
Now I grant you, many of those slaughterers were atheists...but thats like saying dropping the big one on japan was christians slaughtering the japanese.
I wondered why my computer had an anurysm when I went to the comments page. Grats on making a site that managed to piss off everyone equally. 1'd not because you insulted some facet of my relgion, but because you have a namelogo. however, you get +2 for pulling the wrath of MasterSistu on your head and all the lol, spammers who follow him around mindlessly. Also, Most Chinese people consider themselves Buddhists.
actually blizzard, if there was not religion, atheism would still exist. Atheism is merely the lack of belief or disbelief in deities. If people didn't believe in them, it would mean we would all be atheists. It wouldn't be a talking point, it would be a plain as us all being human, but still a fact. Even babies are born atheist.
exactly right vaporizedbaby. Not only did hitler include the christian god in nearly every speech he made, but also had "God mitt uns" (in god we trust) written patched on to the uniforms of his men. Funny that this is on our money now huh? Hitler is also noted for signing bibles as a testament to the biblical work he and the others involved saw themselves as doing. They even portrayed this little historical didie in an Indiana Jones movie.
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hey ceciltheninj, Nietzsche is a hero of your huh? Nietzsche also wrote: "Faith is not wanting to know what is true" "A casual stroll through a lunatic asylum shows that faith proves nothing" "In christianity, neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point" "the christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad" "There is not sufficient love and goodness in the world to permit me to give any away to imaginary beings"
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ceciltheninj, the bible is full of the ruthlessness you claim doesn't exist in your religion. I guess you know that since you don't follow the OT (not that the NT is anybetter). SO what is your reason for not following the OT? Jesus didn't tell you to stop. He even reinforced a lot of the old laws you condemn. Why follow the 10commandments when they are OT. Jesus only spoke of 6 of them, aren't they the 6commandments now? You are a big hypocrite.
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ceciltheninj, Jesus did advocate violence. HE even admitted that it was his reason for being on earth. He brought the sword, not us. In Luke 12:47, Jesus says that the slaves should be beaten (just the obedient ones, not as much). In Luke 19:27, Jesus says that all who oppose his rule and lordship are to be brought to his feet and killed in front of him. Don't preach of that loving Jesus crap to us. He is as much a myth as God himself.
Ever hear the saying "62.5 % of all statistics are meaningless"? It means that people can spin numbers to say whatever they want them to say, kinda like what you have just done. I noticed that you failed to represent the whole of Christianity by leaving off everyone's favorite group of self-righteous hippocrites, the protestants, off.
Maybe its because that you realised that just about every war fought in Europe and the Americas was between Christians, or at least involved Christians on one side of the battle. When you start adding up those numbers, you'd realize that more people have died at the hands of Christians since the creation of Christianity as a religion than any other group of peoples.
Actually sir, did you mention the 30 years war, the 100 years war, the war of Three Henries (French Succession), St Bartholomews Day Massacre, the masses murdered after the peasents went nuts after the reformation, everyone murdered under Iconocalstic Emporers like our good friend Leo, the thousands of men (and saints, so appropriately brought up in that other crap ytmnd you made!) burned at the stake for trying to translate the bible or deny the trinity
The many pagans persecuted and killed after Rome turned Christian (about 150 years before its "fall"), the many, many, many, many millions killed in persecutions after kings and queens who were catholic were not tolerant to the ways of other religions like protestants, Mary Tudor, Henry III (Acting with his homies the Guise family, who killed lots of people too!), you know what, instead of going on, I'm just going to say if 6 billion people lived in the 1600's,hostile religous leaders would have killedmost
But I miss the point, Athiests are a religion in the way of anti religion, they are just as stupid and closed minded about god as the rest of them, and the fact that athiest dictators killed millions because they hated organized religion is just more millions killed because of religion, the thought of god whether he is different or none at all is what killed these people
Alright. I've been watching enough YTMNDs about religeon and I believe that everyone has their opinions. For being a work of an artist, your YTMND was well made. Maybe some audio work would of helped a bit only cause the song used became a little irratating and as we all know, it's been overused. I think this whole YTMND civil-religeous-crusade-debate-arguement-whatever is all actually hypocritical. Each one of you are trying to convince the audience that you are correct and the loser is a shmuck.
What happened to the entertainment portion of this site? This is all like if Mel Gibson appeared at the end of Passion of the Christ just shaking his head and nodding. "Bad Jews. Bad Jews." So, c'mon guys. Let's make like the mormons and find ourselves seven wives. You can make a YTMND about that. Let's forget about what our heritage has done in the past and let's not act like door to door religeon salesmen. No one here is an expert. These are opinions and opinions don't get you laid. Comedy does.
I'll bet you people that actually call themselves Atheists, which carries the same weight as calling yourself polish, catholic, and/or islamic, haven't killed more than one million people. All you're claiming is that if you put together people outside of those three groups, and combine the amount of people they've killed in the history of the world, that it would be greater. No f*cking sh*t, did you also know that trees are made of wood? Oh, btw, your use of the Polend joke sucked.
The truth is that Christian centered nations (England, Spain, France) have been responsible for not only mass slaughter and slavery, but the destruction of entire cultures and civilizations. Its is one thing to kill millions of people, but to destroy the idea and cultures that millions have followed is far worse.
Even if these numbers were absolutely accurate (which they aren't), the fact remains that dictatorships aren't a country full of atheists. They are regimes which dissuade the proliferation of national religion, because churches are a source of competition for the hearts and minds of the populous. The problem with your argument, is that it wasn't ATHEISTS who did the killing, it was a government. Whereas the only thing that united the other genocides WAS their religion. It was CATHOLICS who killed millions
Your argument is flawed. Those governments which were Atheist and also killed many people did not kill said people because they were Atheist, they killed them because they were Communist. That's analogous to me saying "The Popes have all worn white, and nearly all religious crimes committed by the Catholic Church have involved the Pope, therefore people who wear white have committed many religious crimes." True, yes, but irrelevant.
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Once again, whetstone utterly fails to make a wholly truthful argument.
At the core, yes, undeniably Atheist leaders have killed more people than other leaders - Mao and Stalin for teh win.
Hitler was not atheist, so bzzt, j00 l0se there - there's your first lie.
Second, the entire argument is specious. Mao and Stalin were not part of the same Atheist movement - in fact, even their brands of Communism were at odds with each other.
So the argument means nothing.
You forgot the protestants. Hitler was a Protestant, he killed nearly 30,000,000 people in war and prison because he thought they weren't worthy. You forgot the eastern orthodox, Stalin was an orthodox man, he killed 20,000,000 of his own people. You blame all your f*cking problems on atheists and pagans because you can't understand how we can be happy without the PUNISHMENT of your "God." Why don't you blame the deaths on your false god, huh? If he cared for people he would see that so many people die ev
It's pretty sad that your method of legitimizing your religion is simply saying "Well, at least -WE- didn't senselessly murder as many people as -YOUR- religion has.”. You're scrutinizing every possible detail in hopes to find some validity to your own beliefs, it's almost as if you're sincerely doubtful of the things you have been taught to accept, and yet refuse to allow any other ideas to reach your ears. Does your heart ache when you think hard and long upon the religion you think you belong to?
To all those who say Nazi, Germany was not Atheist......" A movement like ours mustn't let itself be drawn into metaphysical
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Party's function to be a counterfeit for religion" - A. Hitler
(http://www.gatago.com/alt/history/british/6566996.html)
You can't throw murder on a group of people, human nature dictates hostility to those different from us...its circumstances that make this so. In the days of catholic tyranny, if they had the means to kill 252,000,000 "heretics" they sure as hell would have, same for muslims. The genocides of believers were not conducted out of atheism and disbelief in a higher power they were conducted as a means to erradicate rebellious thought.
"i want you to know you are a failure." Actually I succeeded 100% in what I had intended to do. It's very unlikely anyone will bring up the crusades to me anymore to somehow invalidate anything I say. And if they do I can give them this link. That was the basic premise of this YTMND. Adjusting the numbers based on new information I get is the easy part. The fact will remain with people that a) I'm not a Catholic and b) even if I were a Catholic, atheists have killed more than Catholics.
Uhmmm... killing millions of people in the name of anything is evil period. You're basically claiming to be "less evil" because your belief system killed X-amount less of millions of people in the name of your belief system than some other belief system. This thought process of yours is so devoid of morality and logic, it almost defies description. Almost. What it is, is a deep and profound mental illness hiding within a projected, though completly false, moral superiority.
Right, you fail. All these people are evil, evil is evil. You can't say these people are the less evil. Dictatorships are hardly representives of atheism who just don't believe in god. Communist dictorships FEARED God, believing that people would believe, and then kill them and take their country back. All these people forced their opinions on others. Catholics forced their opinions on others by burning them at the stake and staging holy wars, similar with Muslims and flying airplanes into buildings.
"b) even if I were a Catholic, atheists have killed more than Catholics." No, I'm pretty sure we already told you that athiesm wasn't part of communism because they actually believed in it, it was just a method of keeping the people they ruled in line. They killed people because they wanted power and no opponents. The Crusades was about retaking Jerusalem because they thought it was holy. Two VERY different types of murdering.
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"The fact will remain with people that a) I'm not a Catholic and b) even if I were a Catholic, atheists have killed more than Catholics." It seems that the differnce between a cold, hard fact and a logically flawed assertion is as elusive to you as the difference between repressive dictators and atheists. Your assertion about how many people atheists have killed rests on a number of logical fallacies, including a strawman, a selected sample, and a variant on the false dichtomy.
These dictatorships repress any political opponent, especialy organized religion. It is a means of controlling and centralizing power and authority. Many countries have and do operate as a theocracy, rigidly enforcing one belief system on pain of death. These are very similar to dictatorships, but the political dogma is replaced my a central, usually State church. Both ideologies have been responsible for history's worst genocide and massacres, and neither have anything to do with atheism.
Here's the thing- do Atheists go around trying to preach peace and love and understanding? The ones that killed people sure didn't. Christians, Muslims, and other violent religions do. It's hypocrisy. That's why liberals in government are denouncing the Foley scandal- because the Republican "moral value" platform isn't what they themselves follow at all. Atheists don't have to believe anything.
Non-religious governments are made to bring control to a group of people. It's a lot more complicated than this.
i will tell you who killed the most people, GOD. according to your religion we where created in his image, therfore GOD must be responsible for his creations and their behavior - are parents not responsible for their childen behavior? and even if you dont want to accept that then think about this, all life dies - it is the nature of the universe - and who created the universe GOD. therefore GOD has killed the most people
ok first of all, these religious ytmnds are going too far and the reason why is cuz retards want to try converting people into different religions instead of accepting other religions. I'm not athiest, i'm born catholic but i don't preach because so many religions say they're right with logical reasons and it just gets too f*cking rediculous. i didn't see this ytmnd and i don't want to but i want to comment about all these f*cking religious crap. ACCEPT OTHER RELIGIONS! Saying all these (continued next)
looterkfm:"I don't think you seem to understand that 'Atheism' is equitable to
anarchy, as far as origization goes. We don't sit in log tables under big
buildings and all decide what we are going to do for next year's laybor
day." Sadly enough, this is true. We can be a bit too free-thinking for our own good and miss out on societal groups and organizations. All we really have down is the messageboard thing. Atheists are not only the most distrusted minority, but the most underrepresented, our fault tho.
okay... so you counted the Catholic inquisitions and other religious-based wars and things in the Catholic one... but for the Atheist one, you included EVERY PERSON WHO EVER DIED UNDER THESE CRAZY DICTATORSHIPS... but not everyone who died in the entire reign of Constantine under the catholic one... (just a random, not necessarily accurate example). Yeah, that's FAIR.
Nice lying there with the atheist thing. Dictatorship does not have anything to do with atheism for the most part, that, and less of atheists are f*ck-heads like you(and countless number of christians, religious leaders...) who have to lie on ridiculous scales to get hollow-minded people to follow you, or your religion.
well, obviously all us athiests are sinners who kill and practise witchcraft. Seriously, im going to make a poll with your logic: who killed the most Jews? Muslims or Germans? Germans win, seeing as ONE f*cking INSANE dictator who HAPPENED to be german killed alot of Jews. That is what you are saying - a few insane dictators kill alot, happen to be athiests, so it is the athiest's fault. They are alos white, damn crackas kill too many people. None of them were american, so, by your logic,
non-americans must kill alot too. Seriously, athiesm is not a tightly defined group where we all share similar prejudices. Lastly, dictators have good reason to be anti-religion: they are F*CKING DICTATORS. THEY WANT TO BE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY, AND GOD THREATENS THEM. It is not a problem of athiests, it is a problem of dictators and authoritarians.
Why do you think you can convert people over YTMND? You are dumb. Get over yourself, and stop making thease retarded YTMND's. You are the kind of guy who comes to my house holding a bible, and when I don't let you in you put your foot in the door; forcing me to punch you in the face. Have a nice day :).
+ 5 for using bob barker, -1 for actually using Wikipedia as a source (lol, find a real site), and -3 for trying to pin murders on a religion. Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people. Religion is used as an excuse all too often throughout the history of warfare and politics. One of my best friends is an athiest (or agnostic, I think he changed his mind somewhere along the line), and it's ignorant to equate atheism with death.
And to get your stats truthful, christianity has killed, tortured and maimed hundreds of millions times more people than scientology ever had. Need i mention their 'punishments' about this and that, or witchburnings (which in Britannia alone was over 800,000 recorded deaths of women. Britts is small in comparison to how widespread the idiocy... i mean... religion was then)
you guys keep saying dictator this and dictator that as if hitler made his own bombs and marched off on a killing spree. while you guys struggle with nitpicking this YTMND. being an atheist does not automatically make you a murderer. it's your choice to stoop to this level of intelligence. you keep on screaming at the top of your lungs, i will be happy when bush kills you like hitler killed his country.
THIS DUDE HITS THE MARK!! MY GRANDPARENTS WERE THERE, AND THEIR ELDERS VOTED FOR HITLER IN MORE THAN TWO DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS BEFORE...before….THE PEOPLE who VOTED FOR ADOLF HITLER are SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOLOCAUST, and I AM ROYALLY PISSED to say that ALL MY AUNTS AND UNCLES ARE ALL DOING IT ALL OVER AGAIN!!! GAWD DAMMIT!!! WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY LEARN ANYTHING??? ATTACKING GAY MARRIAGE AND ABORTION WAS HITLERS INITIAL ELECTION PLATFORM STANCE TOO! IDIOTS!! AAAAAAUUGH!!!
Athiesm should be defined as a seperate group with subgroups, just like the word Religion, because Athiesm is not a religion.
This alone makes your statement irrelevant. You are comparing a subgroup(a stem if you will) compared to a seed. If you were to compare Religion and Athiesm, you would see Religion has killed more people and are a big factor in meaningless deaths. Muslims wouldn't have died in the crusade if they didn't have their religion and the catholics/christians wouln't have gone their in the
there* in the first place if their religion didn't exist. You are such a f*cking noob, you only show things that benefit your side and never state the other side and other information. You are so biased. I hate your profile, I wish you would just GTFO. By the way, i'm not athiest either, i'm religious also. You just happen to piss me off and you make such a horrible name for religious people. As well as plenty other terrible religious extremist.
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