Therefore, God does not exist
Created on: September 30th, 2006
Therefore, God does not exist
The reasons I believe that there is no god.

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September 30th, 2006
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You failed to mention Carl Sagan anywhere...
September 30th, 2006
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All I know is, ForkHead molests children. And collies.
September 30th, 2006
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Thsi is not a forum. The forums are located at http://forums.ytmnsfw.com/ Go argue there.
September 30th, 2006
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Newground Audio? It's goddamn Sonic.
September 30th, 2006
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Anybody want a peanut?
September 30th, 2006
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I know it's sonic. That particular version came from NEwgrounds. And Carl Sagan? I'm afraid I don't share his views of 'we are insignificant therefore there is no god'
September 30th, 2006
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good argument... i like it of course there's always the possibility that God is beyond explanation and that any attempt to disprove god's existence is therefore inadequate. but i like it anyway. it's a great way to counter the belief that god's existence can be proven by logic. no Hax.
September 30th, 2006
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lol! no wait... that wasnt funny
September 30th, 2006
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by the way, my linebreaks weren't picked up in that post. it made more sense before it was compufied.
September 30th, 2006
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Yeah, YTMND ignores some control characters
September 30th, 2006
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booo
September 30th, 2006
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Wow you proved a contradiction that actually isn't a contradiction. I would debate it but it'd be pointless as even if this were a sound argument you would have only disproven the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god. This does not exhaust the possibilities (let's leave aside that this argument is bogus). Try again!
September 30th, 2006
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:'(
September 30th, 2006
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It actually doesn't disprove God's existence, it just proves that there is no free will IF God exists.
September 30th, 2006
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Also, try to remember that your logical skills are that of a high schooler and many of the most famous logicians in recent history have concluded that it is impossible to disprove the existence of god. Bertrand Russell knows his logic better than you, and you can discover this for yourself if you'd like.
September 30th, 2006
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See Spinoza for a good argument as to the consequences of an omnipotent god. Also, see Malebranche for a failed attempt at reconciling omnipotence with free will. Also your definition of free will is not one that is logically acceptable. Free will isn't the ability to do all things at once, it is the power to do otherwise if you had so chosen. Omnipotence guarantees this. To say that someone made a choice is not to say that he couldn't have done otherwise.
September 30th, 2006
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Free will is a dead notion anyways in contemporary thought...
September 30th, 2006
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You say that free will is not the ability to do everything at once. Why you would bring that up, I do not know. In my argument against an omnipotent, omnipresent god, it is logical to assume that being these two things, he must have known everything he would ever do since the beginning of his own existence (if it even had a beginning). It is therefore logical to presume that since god knew everything he would ever do, and he is omnipotent, that those things cannot be changed. Therefore he has no free will
September 30th, 2006
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As he is unable to choose to do something else, because to do so would mean he was not omnipotent, which is not the case in this scenario.
September 30th, 2006
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Like I said even if this logic worked it wouldn't prove that god doesn't exist. It might prove that a particular sect of Christianity's God does not exist, but it does not exhaust the possibilities. Like I said, this is an epistemological and semantic debate and it is not fun to get into, but there are plenty of sources out there that address this topic and you are free to seek them out. There are plenty of refutations of this style argument out there, and maybe you'll find them satisfactory.
September 30th, 2006
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I never had any intention to prove this line of reasoning incorrect because, like I said, even if it were true it wouldn't mean that the existence of god or even all Christian Gods (yes, their conceptions do differ) do not exist. Also, it doesn't exhaust the various non-christian gods or various theoretical gods that could be thought up. Speculatively I do not think this argument would hold up, but it doesn't matter even if it does. It does not prove the point you were aiming at making.
September 30th, 2006
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Yes, and I made it clear that I was arguing the existence of that kind of god. Not any god, but an omnipotent, all powerful god. I happen to be agnostic, not an athiest. This YTMND has the reasons why I can't believe in the 'Lord'. If you don't want to get into a debate, why so many detailed, argumentative comments? It's much easier to just turn away and remember me as just another idiot.
October 2nd, 2006
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Like I said, I was making an argument. Don't get me wrong. There is an argument there. You also mentioned Zeus in your ytmnd, which leads me to believe that you were trying to disprove the existence of all gods, not just the Christian god (Zeus is neither omnipotent nor all powerful). In this you have failed. Why? Because Zeus is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. Thus, as I said, your ytmnd does not do what it sets out to do.
November 11th, 2007
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Well right before the war with christianity broke out, a few "new" pagan religions where heading in that direction. take for instance the cult of the Great mother Goddess who encompassed all of the other lesser Goddesses of antiquaty. Perhapes if it weren't for christianity, Europe would have developed its own form of hindu.
November 11th, 2007
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besides the fact that their was a king commonly featured in classical pantheons, insists those pagans where seeking the same emotional comfort that monotheism provides on a higher, more riggorist level.
October 2nd, 2006
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Also you said you were disproving an omnipotent god and used omniscience in your argument. Not all Christians would agree with the conception of omniscience that you put forth, so you do not disprove all Christian conceptions of god (or, as you would like to call him, God).
November 11th, 2007
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you should calm down. He wasn't just pickin on christians. he was goin after everybody. My faith (you probly havn't heard of) was included in this, and I dont mind. Logic helps him feel better just like the bible helps you feel better, so just leave him alone.
November 11th, 2007
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I mean life is too short really.
November 11th, 2007
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And what a lovely collection of water vapor and sunlight. of course the only reason why I enjoy it is because I have the capacity to, just like I have the capacity to feel pain.
November 11th, 2007
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I think the argument makes perfect sence. unfortunatly your applying it to an emotional decision to beleive. my faith has two omnipotent dieties who share dominion over all things. they kinda go together like up and down.