Therefore, God does not exist
Created on: September 30th, 2006
The reasons I believe that there is no god.
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Wow you proved a contradiction that actually isn't a contradiction. I would debate it but it'd be pointless as even if this were a sound argument you would have only disproven the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god. This does not exhaust the possibilities (let's leave aside that this argument is bogus). Try again!
Also, try to remember that your logical skills are that of a high schooler and many of the most famous logicians in recent history have concluded that it is impossible to disprove the existence of god. Bertrand Russell knows his logic better than you, and you can discover this for yourself if you'd like.
See Spinoza for a good argument as to the consequences of an omnipotent god. Also, see Malebranche for a failed attempt at reconciling omnipotence with free will. Also your definition of free will is not one that is logically acceptable. Free will isn't the ability to do all things at once, it is the power to do otherwise if you had so chosen. Omnipotence guarantees this. To say that someone made a choice is not to say that he couldn't have done otherwise.
You say that free will is not the ability to do everything at once.
Why you would bring that up, I do not know.
In my argument against an omnipotent, omnipresent god, it is logical to assume that being these two things, he must have known everything he would ever do since the beginning of his own existence (if it even had a beginning).
It is therefore logical to presume that since god knew everything he would ever do, and he is omnipotent, that those things cannot be changed. Therefore he has no free will
Like I said even if this logic worked it wouldn't prove that god doesn't exist. It might prove that a particular sect of Christianity's God does not exist, but it does not exhaust the possibilities. Like I said, this is an epistemological and semantic debate and it is not fun to get into, but there are plenty of sources out there that address this topic and you are free to seek them out. There are plenty of refutations of this style argument out there, and maybe you'll find them satisfactory.
I never had any intention to prove this line of reasoning incorrect because, like I said, even if it were true it wouldn't mean that the existence of god or even all Christian Gods (yes, their conceptions do differ) do not exist. Also, it doesn't exhaust the various non-christian gods or various theoretical gods that could be thought up. Speculatively I do not think this argument would hold up, but it doesn't matter even if it does. It does not prove the point you were aiming at making.
Yes, and I made it clear that I was arguing the existence of that kind of god. Not any god, but an omnipotent, all powerful god.
I happen to be agnostic, not an athiest. This YTMND has the reasons why I can't believe in the 'Lord'.
If you don't want to get into a debate, why so many detailed, argumentative comments?
It's much easier to just turn away and remember me as just another idiot.
Like I said, I was making an argument. Don't get me wrong. There is an argument there. You also mentioned Zeus in your ytmnd, which leads me to believe that you were trying to disprove the existence of all gods, not just the Christian god (Zeus is neither omnipotent nor all powerful). In this you have failed. Why? Because Zeus is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. Thus, as I said, your ytmnd does not do what it sets out to do.
Well right before the war with christianity broke out, a few "new" pagan religions where heading in that direction. take for instance the cult of the Great mother Goddess who encompassed all of the other lesser Goddesses of antiquaty. Perhapes if it weren't for christianity, Europe would have developed its own form of hindu.
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