Christian Martyrdom
Created on: September 5th, 2006
Luke 21:12 "But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake." Also go here http:
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Jesus, huh? Dude was a Perfect Soul! Untainted by any of the vices of society then, probably could rise above all of the vices of society now, and just as quick tell us that we made our own hell! I love Jesus too, But the unconverted are just gonna ignore the Fire-and-brimstone, You're-all idiots bit. So give it a F*cking rest. No stars.
I find it interesting that the only example you cited after 400 A.D. was an occurence where the Catholics killed the guy.
I also find it interesting that you dug as deep as you did for your final statistic. "Gospelweb" (to which you failed to provide a link) is hardly a reputable human rights foundation. They probably made that number up. All I'm saying is you need to drop the bullsh*t martyrdom complex and enjoy your time in the sun before Islam eclipses you (fastest growing religion).
The problem with people like you or peterguy is that you're always saying your stuff without any proof or substantial evidence. For example, where the f*ck did you get the number 465? Where are the research papers? Who/what organization did the study? The same way you believe any crap they tell you in relgious settings you believe without question. Now instead of trying to argue with me or people on YTMND, just read their points and check to see what they're trying to say through their critisicms.
Also, I would like to point out the Catholic Church's activity in Spain (Inquisition, expulsion of Jews), France (slaughtering the Huguenots), and Croatia (Ustase killing Orthodox Serbs.) Not to mention Martin Luther comdemning Peasent Revolts in the H.R.E. (70-100,000 killed)
Or the 30 Years War.
Christianity has persecuted so many other groups (or other sects of Christians). Pot. Kettle. Black.
Just because you can link the site doesnt make it's figures correct. It's not a reputable human rights group, its some dumbass named James H. Deanmore. Well, heres a number thats just as good. I say on the internet that 10,000 Chinese people a day drown in their bathtubs. Its an epidemic.
Can you see how ridiculous that is? Its the same thing with some crappy website making unsubstantiated claims with no proof to back them up.
Although I disagree with your statment about Catholicism, lets leave that alone. Lets keep this where I am most comfortable, history and solid facts. What Martin Luther supported was a brutal and inhumane system of oppression (Serfdom). A system where justice is nonexistent, and the position of your birth determines your lot in life. I doubt you would feel the same way if you were a 16th century serf. The revolts were an attempt to throw off their oppressors and give themselves a chance in life.
Interestingly enough, that site doesnt cite any sources. Although better made than the gospel one, it has the same problems. Link me to something from HumanRightsWatch or Amnesty International and you will have more credibility. I'm not saying that Christians are not persecuted in some parts of the world, I'm saying the sites you are linking are BS propaganda.
As for oppressing serfs being a "political action", thats insane. Supporting a system as oppressive and evil as serfdom is not political in the same way as say, having an opinion on the Estate Tax. It's no different that supporting Stalinist Communism or Nazism. Its a cruel system with no redeeming value.
wow, I kind of just jumped into this epic battle, but I do have an opinion. I am Christian, and I think it's ridiculous to say any statistic about Christians being persecuted. There is a lot worse in the world. I think you're trying to get people to convert by making them feel sorry for you. That's not going to work, try a new tactic.
"Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" "Catholics aren't true Christians" You sit there and throw yourselves into the lions den then are suprised when the lions take a bite? Get over yourself.
Jesus wanted the symbol to be a Lamb (He's the lamb of God). But Chuck Norris wasnt gonna let any religion he followed have some peaceful symbol. He laid down the law with Jesus
Hence the cross.
I read that in the Book of Chuck, Pope John Paul I replaced the Book of Chuck with the Gospel of Mark. Pope John Paul I died after 33 days as Pope.
everyone should be able to believe whatever the hell they want to without fear of violence towards them. But don't expect people to accept your bullsh*t when you start claiming something like creationism is science when it absolutely, painfully obviously, is not. You believe 2+2=5 if you want to, but don't expect me to not point out it's bullsh*t.
yeah, wtf. christianity is the most popular religion in the world. well, second to hempism and alvianism, but thats beside the point. Get a f*cking life and stop using YTMND as your f*cking pulpit. Oh yeah, props to C+E Catholics and all other religions who hate all this extremely right-winged protestant "fire and brimstone" scare tactics (not to mention the f*cking "protestant oppression;" you've got most of america, canada, and northern europe, what the hell ELSE do you want?!?!)
i work as an organ player at a local carnival, every saturday night i see men oggle at the half naked women on stage. every sunday morning , as i am setting up my organ, i see those same men going into the church accross the street to confess. now, the next saturday, i see those same men back oggoling the women. The Reason? Christianity is a religion that thrives on Hypocrisy. the true way is LaVey Satanism, do what you want and nothing will happen when you die, Literally.
I can't say I fully understand the intention behind this YTMND. Dying for one's beliefs is one thing, while Christianity is another.
Religion should be used to influence morality, not a by-the-book law system. Because if Fundamentalists had their way half of America would be slain. (Homosexuals, unwed nonvirgin girls, etc.)
Spirituality is a personal experience. It shouldn't be forced on anyone.
Whetstone and Peterguy are Psychic Vampires; they post theese types of sites, making us feel sorry for them because of their 1 flaw. a Psychic Vampire is someone who Takes a one of their own minor flaws and uses it to get people to feel sorry for them. the ones here who belive what they post are just Idiots who cannot handle a Psychic Vampire.
"Whetstone and Peterguy are Psychic Vampires; they post theese types of
sites, making us feel sorry for them because of their 1 flaw. a Psychic
Vampire is someone who Takes a one of their own minor flaws and uses it to get people to feel sorry for them. the ones here who belive what they post are just Idiots who cannot handle a Psychic Vampire." This comment made me lol. Thanks for that :D
Regions still suffer in chaos due to numbers of reason. Eastern Europe, where Roman Catholics, Russian Othrodox Church, and Islam meet. Border and religous disputes. Ireland...Protestant and Catholic disputes over the border. Middle East- The Birth Place of the major Religions. Still a hell hole as we see. Kashmir- India and Pakistan dispute over this. They
hate eachother, over religion. Buddhist and Islam.
Simply put. Religion kills. It's a reasoning behind conflict or a cause for conflict. It should not dicate your life, you shouldn't let it run your life. I don't have no hatred with religions, of any sorts. Yet I have problems with those who are so deeply envolved in religion they can't escape.
Honestly, I doubt YTMNDers would carry out acts of torture. Most are just NARVs.
I love how you're comparing yourself to CHRIST and other christians who were actually murdered, just because people are trash talking you over the Internet. Ego complex, much? 2 for sound, but drop the self-centered christian gimmick. By the way, I love how your source about 450 christians being murdered every day is from a GOSPEL WEBSITE and YOU TUBE.
sigh. Catholics=Christians. I don't care what your minister told you. Catholics were the first christians and remain a christian church today. God never said "catholics suck so martin luther break off from the church." I was harrased by protestants growing up because of the mere fact that I was born into a catholic family.I was told i was going to hell for "worshiping" mary. Who is the martyr now?
Dude, I agree that people shouldn't be hating on your religion, but this and other religious YTMNDs have NO PLACE on YTMND. YTMND is here to provide funny or interesting sites. This isn't a place for you or others to impose your beliefs on others. I know you're not doing that with this site in particular, but you're defending sites that do. Also, all those comments were jokes, and you need to learn to take those with good humor.
Also, please provide statistics from an unbiased source.
cibopadrone - Did you forget perhaps, the Orthodoxy? Or better yet, the Armenian church, which was the first nation to become Christian, before the Romans?
You're quite silly and very egotistical to think they were the first christians. Was there a pope 10 years after Jesus died?
I'm agnostic and even I know the catholics weren't the original christians.
I am a Christian myself and I agree that people often think that the deaths of Christians are more acceptable due to the unfortunately popular image Christianity has in the world today. I admire what you're doing, but please do not do anything that implies Peterguy as a martyr; someone who just pastes what he obtains off of random pamphlets and posts them online isn't exactly sacrificing himself for Jesus.
It's interesting what you're trying to do, but I think it shows a fundamental flaw. For starters, you only seem to care about protestant christians, yet do not care for the other sects of the religion. This is a highly disturbing sentiment. Also, no offense, but really, in many parts of the world you're not being persecuted. Heck in the US you're the majority. Catholics have had more persecution than Protestants in the US, and it's not even that much. I know Jesus said you would be hated, but I often get a
sense from the Christian community that you /need/ to feel persecuted, like someone is out to get you. I don't quite understand how a group can be the majority, control most of the country, and yet act like they are being persecuted. That's not how it works, superior forces persecute weaker ones, not the other way around.
Oh please, just about every single group has been persecuted against at some point in history. In fact, the persecution of christians has not been half as brutal as the persecution against some groups (although no more justified). Anyway on YTMND this 'persecution' is just people doing what they do at YTMND, making callous, tasteless jokes. People talk about murdering Scientologists and the Bauman family too, but nobody would really do it (except maybe one or two nutjobs among us). Seriously guy, chill.
where christians once taught the values of love, of tolerance, and of freedom, they now teach the princables of hate and bigotry and self-centeredness. How did this happen? whos to blame? well certainly there are those who are more responsable than others (GWB, Kathleene harris, Pat Robertson, etc) but again truth be told, if your looking for the guilty... you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I knew you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? war, terror, the threat of hell if you don't obey...
there were a million of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the hatefull mongers like Pat robertson and the republican party. They promised you salvation, they promised you acceptance. and all they demanded in return was your silent obedient consent. Its time we all end that silence.
For those who keep bringing up the Crusades, Inquisition, etc. those were
Catholic events many times commissioned by popes. Please get your facts
straight before flaming. Thanks.
Doesn't matter. Religion as a whole kills. Why do churches split, if they're divine? Power. Churches and the rulers want power. Roman Catholic Church and the Anglican Church are certainly NOT innocent. The Church of England was built because Henry the VIII didn't get a divorce granted. He would murder his wifes to marry anoth
As a Jew, I can relate to the suffering of Christians throughtout the ages. No one has a right to suffer for their personal beliefs that hurt no one else. Everyone has a human right to believe whatever they want, whenever they want, and be coaxed by no one to believe anything else. Its free will. And as long as i'm not stepping on your toes, no one has a right to step on yours. 5'd.
OMG people got killed for the beliefs! Hate to tell ya buddy but thats pretty much a universal thing, Martyrs do not automatically mean christian nor do they mean the religion they believed in was true. 2 stars for you, you'll get a 5 when you realize your faith has no place anywhere other then in your head.
(Question) What's the difference between a "cult" like scientology, and a "religion" like Christianity, Islam and Judaism? (Answer) A few hundred years. Remember, all religions were once considered cults and laughed at just as you laugh at scientology. All the founders, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad were persecuted and mocked. Just like Hubbard. But of course now, Jehovah, God, Allah etc make perfect sense to millions, but Lord Xenu is a joke. Ironic? Hypocritical? That's "religion" for you.
I don't believe that making sweeping comments like 'Catholics arn't true christians' is right. Let's not forget that we protestants have done our share of killing in the name of God.
You are doing the correct thing by spreading 'The good word', just don't be surprised when the bulk of the people you're playing too (especially here) reject you and your site. Standing up to your critics doesn't make you a martyr...unless you die.
First off, protestants have the freedom that comes with being the majority religion in the United States and many parts of Europe. Also, last time I checked, Christians were the ones behind the Crusades, the Inquisition, forced conversion and massacre of native South American Tribes, the Pogroms, the Holocaust, and various less publicised genocides throughout history. All religions and cultures were persecuted at some point and also played the role of persecutor at other points.
A few points...
1. There a plenty of Christans on this site, no one has a problem with that.
2.But no one wants to be preached at here, we don't care if your God is going to send us to hell.
3. It's extreamly disrespectful to compare yourselves with true martyrs, you made a lame YTMND and sponser you own stuff. If you have such a persecution fetish, go try this in the Middle East. Not a funny random website.
4. Anyone care to make a YTMND of all the acts of persecution commited by christians?
I always thought it was funny how christians(and Catholics, same difference to me really)always made reference to being made fun of and being martyrd considering christianity is one of the largest religions on the earth not to mention the vast amount of other people the christian church and the catholic church have persicuted and killed in the name of god or internal politics for that matter. Anyway, Evolution +1
Lordmarx: "you made a lame YTMND and sponser you own stuff." No I didn't. Peterguy sponsored me. But yeah it's horrible that Peterguy is willing to pay Max money to keep YTMND going isn't it? "Anyone care to make a YTMND of all the acts of persecution commited by christians?" If by Christians you mean Catholics- by all means. If by Christians you mean Christians, you will have a very short YTMND.
What is it with all this Religious Fundamentalism in the world right now? I mean sure... it's the Islamic community that get all the bad press in the 'Western World'. But is hypocrisy like this so difficult to see? Besides... honestly, when has death and persecution ever been evidence of the validity of one's beliefs?
You forgot the part where the Christians killed all those people in the inquisition, and at the salem witch trials...You also forgot all the Christians who work hard to make sure people who have a different lifestyle are treated horribly. You forgot all the religious wars by Christianity. You also forgot that Christians persecute people now, not the other way around. Boo hoo, the poor Christians, all 75% of them, congress, the president, they are so persecuted. Let me go cry for them.
Born-again christians like you are the ones who are fake christians. All your non-denominational churches are nothing but greedy businesses where the mass is nothing more than some crappy christian rock concert to pay for more expensive sh*t instead of helping people. Catholics were right to keep trying to suppress protestants. Most of them are giving Christianity a bad name. Like you.
Just a small question, though. If you don't think catholics are true christians, and only protestants are, to the extent that you only mention protestant christians in your conclusions, why is it that you also mention events of like 34 AD, while protestantism as we know it didn't emerge until the 16th Century?
Christians are the majority in the Western world, and Christians have been doing the persecuting for the last 1000 years or so. I find it funny that some Christians want to make themselves out to be a persecuted minority, while simulataneously claiming that their church should mix with the state since "this is a Christian nation".
Make up your f*cking minds.
I was surprised to see a YTMND about this. It's very comforting to know that there are others like me. I also had no idea how many people here hated Christians so much. I love coming here, but now that I know the true attitude of people here towards Christians, I'm not sure I'm going to continue visiting this site.
Also, I don't see why people think you're pushing your views on them, it's not like you're putting a gun to their head. Kind of reminds me of how Steve Centanni and Olaf Wigg were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint. I also like your scripture quotes. It's nice to be reminded of that sort of thing in a world that's becoming increasingly anti-Christian.
Great YTMND. As usual, I have to say that no one here is forcing anyone to watch this. Before you criticize him for "Forcing you to view this," keep in mind that no one is making you click the link, nor is anyone preventing you from clicking the back button on your browser. Just as those who are educated followers of Islam do not consider those who commit acts of terror to be true followers of their religion of peace, most protestants don't think that the Catholic church is in the right in regaurds to many
[cont] issues, both political and religious. When you make claims of the crusades or of the KKK, you're showing that you lack any education or true understanding of what you're talking about. The catholic church, as a part of the state, was extremely corrupt during the darker ages of humanity. Some of the attrocities they commited are among the worst things ever done to innocent people. However, you shouldn't still hold it against those who are present-day catholics, nor should you hold it against
[cont] present-day Protestants. That's on par with being angry at twenty year old Germans because the Hollocaust happened.
To everyone who said that death figures shouln't be quoted because there is also a large amount of suffering in other parts of the world for various other things, I ask you: What deserves attention? Since you are apparently omniscient and worthy of making the decision that Christianity is not worthy of mentioning, I ask you what is. Like it or not, innocent people being killed
[cont] killed for their beliefs is a problem. That's a seriousd violation of human rights and doesn't belong in the 21st century.
Get off your high-horses and realize that just because you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean you have to downvote and become a crazy anti-christian zealot.
Big props to you both, Whetstone and Peterguy.
I'm with you. Its horrible how people can throw insults, hate, and anger at us, even murder some of us, purely becuase we believe in something purely logical. I'm not classifying everyone who Doesn't believe in God as these kind of people, but unfortuantely the majority of people who aren't for some reason find it funny, amusing and pleasurable to disrespect, sacrelige, and take the p*ss out of our religion. It is truly awful. God forgive them.
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I hope you realize how many reasonable Christians are downvoting you. Why is that? Because you're being the ignorant, insulting, fundamentalist type of Christian that CAUSES Christians to get a bad rep in today's modern civilized society. While some people on here may be anti-Christian, I'd say the majority are just sick of putting up with smug, misinformed, disrespectful hypocrites like yourself. Please do Christianity a favor and stop pretending to represent it.
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all i have to say is that you people buy into the story of noah...f*ck that.. all those animals and room for fresh water and living quaters and room for the food alone to feed the animals the boat wouldnt float... bible and christians and f*cking dumb.. you wont burn in hell you will just rot.. and who the hell cares if our words will ring through eternity.. quit being a sissy bitch
"If by Christians you mean Christians, you will have a very short YTMND." Not to put a negative spin on Christianity, but the catch is if such persecution occurs by someone claiming to be a Christian, he is denounced as non-christian (Which is sort of like saying a christian that cheats on his wife can't possibly be a christian, which currently is a grey area to me). But it's for good reason people assume non-christianity - someone I once knew claimed that HITLER was a Christian, for crying out loud >_>.
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