Incredible Exploits of Nothing
Created on: July 30th, 2006
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Horrible inaccuracy and great omissions. You didn't use your brain even a bit. For example, you excluded the possibilty of different life forms with different natural 'constants'. You also exclude the possibilty of more than one sources of creation. Or even the possibility that is 'intelligent' as WE know it. Very very narrow minded half-assed presentation of some half-assed philosophical discussions. You TRULY fail.
When you stop asking questions about the world around you, you stop finding answers. At least scientists dare to guess and work out the answers and make mistakes instead of remaining happy and ignorant. Were it not for science this message wouldn't be broadcast to millions of people around the world through fibre tubes via light (YES TUBES PEOPLE!).
That's idiotic. Biggest waste of money ever.
You see...
I have this theory that science is devoted to the pursuit of knowledge, whereas religion is devoted to the rejection of knowledge- Rather than try to explain why and how things happen, the religious just pan everything they don't know off to some big invisible person floating in the sky. It makes no sense at all.
5forthe SOMETHING FROM NOTHING part. that's the real question. the question of luck is abstruse, irrelevant, and counter productive.
to all the angry downvoters: are you sure that you don't worship the scientific method? that perhaps you are no less closed minded than religious fundamentalists? don't get me wrong, religious crusades on science anger me. but so does atheist bigotry in the name of science. no theory or data set can possibly explain how it's possible that anything exists in the first place.
tightenupthegraphics, i don't think the ytmnd is saying necessarily that there is a god, it's simply being humorous about asking the questions, and perhaps suggesting that we have a little humility and imagine that maybe we all have no idea what we're talking about. and then laugh about it because we're hilarious morons.
Although the ability for one to prove there is a God lies in everyting around this universe, people sometimes fail to realize that proving the existence of god does not constitute the exsistence of a christian god. Intellegent design, no matter who argues it, does not prove in anyway the validity of the bible. Its like proving ice cream is tasty, and proving that chocolate ice cream is the best, its two different arguments. Nice site though.
I think nearly all voters here 'down or up' have upper-average to high levels of IQ unlike the creator of this site. Now what we must realize is that there is still no SOLID PHYSICAL EVIDENCE or PROOF to DESCRIBE the source of all existence and first amounts of energy in the universe (nobody knows it's name, it's rules, descisions, likes and dislikes or whether it's more than '1' entity.) So stop all this religious non-sense.
Also, [that source of creation] may not be intelligent in the sense we know it. And besides WHO THE HELL can ever prove that with different natural constant there would be no universe or life in the universe? I'd say there would be, but completely DIFFERENT with different living beings and natural laws! I challenge you to prove me wrong! >:)
TightenUpTheGraphics "Why can "God" just exist without being created, but the
universe can't just exist and had to be created?" Because the Universe is not God. Because God is God then God would have the attributes of being God. One of those attributes is being eternal and also being the creator of all things, including time itself, putting God outside the dimension of time altogether. Why should matter exist?
Why should the dimension of time exist? Only explanation is that something with eternal attributes had to create it, something that isn't bound by time itself, God. Same thing goes for matter. Matter cannon not be creater nor destroyed right? If this is true then there is nothing in this universe that can create more matter, which means something that is not made of matter had to make matter.
Also, dont give the universe is eternal and so is matter argument cuz if the universe is eternal then now could never happen. That would mean that there would be an infinite amount of time before now, making now, impossible to happen, but it is happening, right now. The only explanation is that time is not eternal and that it was created. But even if it was eternal, still don't explain why matter and time exist.
You obviously missed my point, if God is God, then He has the attributes of God, unlike anything in the universe which means that God is eternal and outside the dimensions of time, and space. Since God is not bound by any specific dimension we can say that the physical science of this universe is not bound to Him...
Awesome. These guys are the most close minded people I have ever met. My priest knew the man's son who created the Big Bang Theory, and he said that his father believed in God. God does not prove himself to keep arrogant *ssholes who don't have faith out of heaven. You can not prove religon, the whole point of religon is faith.
HORRIBLY innacurate. In actuality, looking at things through such a childish lens garauntees poor understanding of the actual principles at work. Nothing 'just happens', everything is the sum of what proceded it. Also, 'time
is simply an observation of energy being expressed. Therefore time exists because of the properties of energy. Also, the universe is eternal arguement is not invalidated by your silly 'infinite time' arguement, because a state of action (present) is necessary for energy expression.
Ok, I like your argument against TightenUp's comment, however, by putting god outside the realm of our exsistence seems to put him into a dietist's conception of god. If I'm not mistaken, your argument entails that God created matter, but the rules of matter do not apply to him because he is not of matter. It, and correct me if I'm wrong, puts two completely different dimensions upon the universe, a dimension that I don't feel fits the biblical description of God at all.
Drusamson. Let me give you an example. The word "the". It exists inside the english language, but it doesn't exist in sign language. IF your deaf, and sign language is all you know, then does that mean the word the, in the english language doens't exist since you have no experince or knowledge of it? Elaborate on the not fitting hte biblical description of God at all. I think this fits the description perfectly. "I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and end."
there is proof, God proves Himself to you as you seek Him. That's why it is a faith thing because you have to trust that God will reveal Himself to you. When I first started believing in God I had my doubts just like you but I wanted to know the truth. You can never understand it until God individually speaks to you. Aside from that however, i've seen way to many things for me to NOT believe in God.
"The word "the". It exists inside the
english language, but---" Language's existence is conceptual. As is god's. It is not my way to preach, however you lack a fundamental understanding of the universe. Simply put- Ideas/concepts can exist without mutual knowledge between peers, but this is in no way physical existence. The human imagination is not limited by the rules of existence, only by the structure of the mind. Concepts don't follow the rules of physical existence.
ok before i said i 5d it for the something from nothing idea. what i should have said was the something INSTEAD of nothing idea, which i found implicit in the ending when it says 'they went on trying to discover how no one got a hold of nothing and made everything'. i 5d it because that statement is humanity in a funny nutshell.
Basically, by comparing god to the english word 'the', you state that god is a concept, and therefore does not exist in the scope of the physical universe. And if he doesn't, then he doesn't exist as an entity that can have any effect on the universe except through beings that act on that idea. And that's where you get religion. A bunch of people following an idea that someone made up a long time ago :)
Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe? The usual approach of science of constructing a mathematical model cannot answer the questions of why there should be a universe for the model to describe. Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?
I agree with the statement: everything is a product of what preceeded it. Believing that we were just "created" is like believing your new car just appeared at the lot. In actuality, it was built in a factory using metals, rubbers, and other things. Where did these metals come from? They were forged from ore. Where did this ore come from? It was dug up from the crust of our planet... you see where I'm going here, everything has a source. We have simply not discovered our source... In reality, I don't think
Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I don't hold grudges. We all invariably think what we think because of what we have seen, and how we have seen it. What exactly do you mean by my common sense, though? That I don't trust my instincts? Well, if that is the case then yes, I don't trust them, because they are a survival tool, great for when you lack knowledge, but not effective when you have it.
First off, the not knowing something exists but it still does argument can work for anything, including what your disspelling here. See how many people are bringing up Super String Theory and things of the like? To them you are deaf, and lacking knowledge of the word "the". However, the two levels of existence you put forth in your argument go against the biblical explanation because, if I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that matter and God are two different things.
If you put that barrier between them, then it makes no sense that God, who is not bound by the same laws of matter, can appear as matter itself in the books of Genesis, Ezekiel, Exodus, so on and so forth. I leave Jesus out of that mix purposely because he was bound by the laws of matter. If I am completely misunderstanding you, please clarify sir.
And also, these arguments are unnecessary. The problem is, you talk about your 'god' without bringing us any description. That's like me saying 'Oh I know a meteor hit the earth a 1000 years ago' without bringing any sort of date/proof/evidence. No one can prove me wrong but I can't prove myself right! That's when you know I'm talking out of my -ass! If you want people to accept your argument of god existing, bring us some ACTUAL PHYSICAL OBSERVABLE evidence (the ones that made YOU a believer!)
well u wont believe me because u think im crazy but the "physical" evidence i have seen is from healings through prayer as well as other things. I can't bring this to you, I can only tell you. My grandmother was deaf in her ear for almost 5 years and she would wake up to this annoying buzzing sound, after me and a bunch of ppl prayed over her, she can hear perfectly and no buzzing sound
"Due to the fact that there are an infinite number of parellel universe, the
reason our universe developed the way it did out of pure chance. In other
universes, the conditions would be unfit for intelligent life to develop."
not the argument, the argument is y the heck does anything exist at all, period.
other evidences include the sudden ability to speak in other earhtly languages. (careful im not talking baout the nonsense tongues ppl talk about) im takling about someone is suddenly able to speak in another earthly language they dont know, for example a hispanic suddenly knowing chinese even though they never studied or know anything about the chinese language. And the things they said in the language, after being translated were things that referred to God being given glory in various ways.
"Phyla porifera evolved into cnidarians (jellyfish), then platyhelmintes
(flatworms), nematoda (roundworms), annelida (earthworms), mulluska (squids
and snails), arthropoda (bugs), then finally the advanced deuterostomes
echinadermata (starfish) and verbrata (mammals, birds, fish, etc.)." ok thats great, that doesnt answer y anything exists
Proto-humans evolved within phyla verbrata. Their opposable thumbs evolved from the claws of rodents allowed them to use tools. These tools allowed them to hunt for protein-rich meat. Thousands of years of carnivorous diets supplied the proto-humans with enough protein for large brains to develop. These proto-humans utilized their vocal chords to communicate.
40000 years ago, longer vocal chords alone allowed humans to dominate over the only other remaining proto-humans, the neandertals. Now free of competition, the humans were the top of the food chain. Humans eventually realized that plants grew in a regular cycle, and thus civilization and agriculture was born.
But there was still some problems, because the humans now wanted to know where it all came from, and why they existed. A couple of guys thought that they could take advantage of this, and the first religion was born. These guys (now known as priests) told the people what they wanted to hear because they controlled the deities and therefore controlled the people.
There is a 3rd option you have excluded, because you don't feel it is possible (as you stated above about infinite time preceeding the present). That is, that things exist in there present form as the sum of things that led to it. This is every bit as viable an option. Don't preculde it because you don't want to believe it, truth isn't about what you want.
"The universe must have come from somewhere, so it must have been the intellence in the sky that grants healing powers to his followers!" This universe isn't all there is. There are ones above it. Matter was created here when 2 membrains collided in the 11th deminsion, further collisions resulted in gravity wells that helped from stars. Even more collisons have set the galaxies on so that they line up along planes.
invaderchris: there are many different so called "religions" and perhaps some of them were spawned this way cuz they wanted to tell ppl what they wanted to hear but theres just 1 problem, what if thats not the case and what if it what they said wasnt cuz they were trying to control ppl but actually because they were following what God instructed
God or nothing? Dude you are very narrow minded. There's INFINITE number of possibilities. Gods, Groups of gods, Alines from another dimension, an energy making machine, team of unintelligent designers etc. And they're ALL equally probably as a '1' god argument. They ALL lack evidence. Seriously, feed your curiosity. Don't just stab yourself in the eye and accept a theory others present.
"::sigh:: This has turned from intellegent back and forth to idiots raiding
you for your beliefs. Such is life I suppose, so long as half you people
who are attacking understand that Peterguy is way smarter than you. " Thank you. I knew this was gonna happen before i posted this though cuz ppl r scared that when there beliefs are shaken so they fight back. I'm just fighting with common sense, lol.
One point I would like to make before you go. We have changed to meet complexity complexity has not changed to meet us. We are composed of many of the things that are abundant in this planet notice we do not tolerate rare surface chemicals well, such as lead and plutonium, but other chemicals such as oxygen and carbon we thrive on. If you wish to expand your mind and perhaps the way you think of the way to see the world around you read "A SHORT HISTORY OF NEARLY EVERYTHING"
If you want to believe in Intelligent Design/Creationism, that’s fine. Everyone should be allowed to believe what they want, especially over issues as significant as the origin of everything. I will not question your beliefs.
But when arrogant, preachy, holier-than-thou *ssholes like you decide to mock the beliefs of others (in this case, scientific theories on the origin of the Universe), you offend and disrespect many people. Including myself.
So please, get of my internet, f*cktard.
If the 'conditions were slightly different', lots of things would die, but the ones that lived would reproduce, and their children would inherit the traits that allowed them to live. If the conditions had started off differently, we would have ended up differently than we now are.
The idea of a 'creator' has no valid basis. The logic behind it is rediculous. Schools should oppose ignorance.
Dumbass.
Man, who would have guessed that all of these downvoting f*cks would give a damn about what DAVID LAWRENCE thinks about how the universe began. It's a fun, unique way of looking at life. I'll doubt that anybody took half of a second to even consider the implications of how Earth would have been had it been 100 miles closer to the Sun, or 100 miles wider, or whatever. Upvoted, or something.
Not Even Jesus Music could save this.
And thank you, but seeking truth from your kind of deity was what got me to break out of the illusion of blind faith in the first place. Besides, there's a mythos or two that would beg to disagree, both "living" and dead. Spontaneous generation as a theory died before the 1900's, by the by.
Also, out of all the places to argue, people chose YTMND...A site devoted to Humorous Content where NOTHING should be taken seriously... Also, all our ramblings are to be wasted, Since we will never know the truth. Scinetists sure as hell won't figure it out in our lifetimes, So I would rather play it safe. It's only an hour every Sunday or Saturday...
TheDoz"""If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them
have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their
blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13 It's cool that God made the
universe and all, too bad he REALLY hates gays."
So is murder, judgement, stealing, impure thoughts, intent to do bad things, and condemnation. Read a book. Fundamentalists piss me off as much as ignorant *ssholes... eh, same difference.
Kent Hovind is going to be pissed at you when he figures out you stole his material. Peddling this sh*t to stupid people is how he makes his money. After he gets out of jail for tax evasion and threatening IRS agents( http://www.religionnewsblog.com/15261 )you should let him know you stole his material, he'll probably want some financial compensation. I'm sure he could of sold 12 cds and 4 dvds to these f*cks at ytmnd, you haven't sold sh*t. You're a terrible Christian.
jbizzle, it's not about questioning one's existence. Everybody has at least asked that question from others and themselves at least ONCE jackass! This is about finding the most accurate answer. That's what natural philosophy (called 'science' nowadays) has been trying to do for a few hundred years unlike religion that's putting a blind cap on everything it can't explain.
@vaporizedbab: It's not that easy -- religion doesn't put on a "blind cap" on everything it can't explain. That's just it, to the believer, their religion Does explain everything. That's why religion is so appealing to so many. Religious explanations just usually choose to ignore science when conflicts happen. I still find it funny that this movie is causing so much anger, lol.
Just because we don't have a theory that proves all the questions of the universe doesn't mean we have to resort to making up a all powerful being to answer those questions, it's as stupid as saying "my car broke down, its not because of the radiator leak its because god made it break down" 3'd because ytmnd shouldn't be a place for religous debates or propganda.
Religion and science CAN coexist... I believe in Evolution and I go to Church every Sunday. Those that only go for one are lazy bastards that just don't want to leave the house. Those that are so angered by this Gif and .wav music file are overreacting just as much as the average religous extremist, You hear that? you are no better than them if you are offended by this.
The likelihood of God being like you describe in your rebuttal is very similar to the likelihood of the universe being created in this YTMND. The process of creating matter and life was not an instant deal. It took billions of years for planets to form and billions afterwards for life to exist. I think that is ample oppurtunity for a few chain reactions to occur. Also, NEDM, again.
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